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Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
jhocking:
What is the purpose of a safety that disengages when the trigger is pulled? I don't know a lot about guns, and so I am totally at a loss for what the safety does if not prevent the gun from firing when the trigger is pulled.
KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 22:20 ---Guns aren't specifically made for killing, they are made for sending high velocity little pieces of lead, frequently jacketed with metal, toward a target.
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Which kills people. You see, what you're doing is confusing mechanical function with purpose of design. For example, the mechanical function of a camera is to open a little shutter that lets light hit on a roll of photosensitive plastic film that winds by. Yet its purpose is to take images of things. The whole history of the design of firearms has involved the effort to make them into more efficient and deadly combat weapons. Guns can be used for lots of fun, completely non-lethal things, but in my opinion if you ever lose sight of the fact that this is a weapon that is designed to kill people then you're doing it wrong. The same for any weapon.
@Jhocking: it stops the gun going off if you drop it, I suppose.
Nodaisho:
It prevents the gun from firing when dropped, but it takes a good bit of dropping for that to actually happen, the colt SAA (think old western pistol, like in a fistful of dollars, not the good the bad and the ugly, though) was very prone to it, not sure what part of it caused that.
edit: All right, Khar. Look at this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_GSP and tell me that clunky thing is meant for killing. And yet, that weapon is banned from import into the U.S. as it is claimed to have "No sporting purpose", because the BAFTE wants to make itself seem useful. Many designs were originally for killing, but they frequently get changed for target purposes. You know of the infamous M82 .50 cal rifle, right? That was a long range target rifle for years before the military decided they might have a use for it, after that happened, you got the people claiming that people would use it to shoot down planes in flight (which you couldn't without extreme luck, due to the high speed of a plane, stationary position of the shooter, amount of hits needed, and amount of shots you would get).
Johnny C:
--- Quote from: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 22:20 ---The BG? For Bad Guy?
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You and I both know that the target in question is a living, breathing human being.
--- Quote ---But I bet you a hell of a lot more people get killed with cars than illegally with guns, even counting the "accidents" that people have with guns.
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Statistics aside for the time being, why even make the distinction? It's more worrying to me that you could conceivably be killed legally with a gun. Beyond that, a car isn't meant to run into anything, so when it does it's not being used for its purpose. When a gun maims or injures someone, it's done its job.
--- Quote ---My dad has a .22 pump gun, he used to use it to kill rabbits, when they tried to eat his crops while he was farming. Food for the table, right? He also has a double-barreled shotgun that we don't know the quality of, or if it is even safe to fire, since it went through a flood and we don't know how old it is. Want to take a guess as to how many times they have been used in a crime while we have possessed them? Or how many times they have even loaded themselves?
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In the case of a collectible or a rifle in a rural setting, the argument could be easily made that they're necessary for the job, and I'm certainly not arguing that. If you live in the suburbs and for some reason you have a handgun in your home, that's a different story.
--- Quote ---For many shooters, shooting is a relaxing experience. It is a discipline requiring careful muscle discipline, breathing control, and co-ordination. Basically, yoga with a boom. I read something like that somewhere, wish I could remember where.
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I have to voice a significant doubt - and here, if anywhere, is this post's weak point - that there's nothing out there that can equal this experience. For me, I play music, I act, I play video games. On occasion I bike, and on rarer occasions I swim. All of these are, at the end of the day, relaxing experiences for me, requiring careful muscle discipline, breathing control and co-ordination in all circumstances. While I don't doubt that shooting is a relaxing experience for folks, I feel that all the energy directed towards firearm culture could be better expended on something constructive rather than destructive.
--- Quote ---Dennis, I just don't feel safe with the idea of a gun where pulling the trigger removes the safety. I have always been taught that the safety is in case of accidents, including the trigger getting pulled when it isn't supposed to. Sure, most revolvers don't have a safety at all, and they don't go off randomly that I can tell (unless possessed by one B. Fife), but it just goes against the grain, what I have been taught since I was four and shooting tin cans with a red ryder on the outskirts of town.
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This on the other hand is sound. If it's necessary for a handgun to exist then the safety should do its job - namely, make sure the gun isn't fired unless the safety is deliberately disengaged. If that takes some more time, consider that extra incentive to have readily available alternatives.
KharBevNor:
Personally I find one on one single combat with swords, shields, axes and knives provides most of my relaxation needs.
Also sex, and food.
I still enjoy target shooting though. I like blatantly mechanical things and hand-eye co-ordination and loud noises! I'm not sure I'd quite raise it to the level of a spiritual experience.
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