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North Illinois University Shooting
SonofZ3:
--- Quote from: Sox on 14 Feb 2008, 18:05 ---
--- Quote from: Trollstormur on 14 Feb 2008, 16:39 ---I'm sorry, but i'm going to have to call bullshit on that. Guns are more restricted right now than they ever were in america. You've never seen the old catalogs where you could buy a german submachinegun for seventeen dollars delivered straight to your home.
Also i'm not turning this into a gun control debate. I'll be deleting and/or editing any posts to this effect.
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You already turned this into a gun control debate. It's highly relevant, and I'm sure that most people here are mature enough to handle it.
There are a LOT more guns available now than there were back then. This is alone means it is easier to obtain a gun, even if it's unregistered or stolen. The fact is that it is still far too easy to obtain a gun in the US. If I wanted to buy a gun where I lived, it would be impossible unless I wanted to own it illegally. Even then, the likelihood of me being able to obtain a gun is close to zero. Just about anybody with a clean record in the US can obtain a gun rather easily, and the supposed background checks aren't always carried out. The background checks mean that you can't get a gun if you have a serious criminal offense on record, is this correct? None of these kids are going to have any serious offenses, and I have my doubts that a reliable mental background check is carried out when one wishes to purchase a gun in the United States. The fact is that lax gun control laws in the US are allowing these crimes to take place.
You live in a country where far too many people are completely paranoid and sleep with guns under their pillows. Obtaining a gun in the US is easy. You just have to want a gun.
My sympathies to anybody who was affected by this tragedy. My heart goes out to the victims.
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Kids don't buy guns legally. Our background checks and weapon laws work just fine. Kids take guns from their parents, or buy them off the street. Making it harder for law abiding citizens to get firearms doesn't change the ability for criminals to obtain illegal firearms.
jhocking:
--- Quote from: 0bsessions on 14 Feb 2008, 16:14 ---The thing you guys aren't taking into account: It's a lot easier to get a hold of a gun nowadays than it was way back when.
The nutcase factor hasn't gone up, just the population and the gun total.
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Nobody said anything about the cause, just whether or not there was an alarming trend. That said, good point as far as causes, it just wasn't necessary for you to present it in an accusatory fashion.
[tangent]Does anyone else feel like this forum has gotten a lot more argumentative in the last week or so?[/tangent]
Nodaisho:
Yes, I agree, it has gotten very argumentative.
E. Spaceman:
--- Quote from: SonofZ3 on 14 Feb 2008, 20:53 ---[
Our background checks and weapon laws work just fine.
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Having this on this thread is awesome.
Alex C:
There's been some really contentious issues floating around, yeah.
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