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RedLion:
--- Quote from: bujiatang on 25 Feb 2008, 19:42 ---When I was in Turkey my sister witnessed the PKK staging a protest in Izmir. It never made the news when we were there. Now Kurds are "allowed" to speak their language in Turkey, but it was in the news this morning that Turkish forces are crossing into Iraq and killing off the Kurds there.
an interesting article from January
the npr article
at least some countries are recognizing what they are doing abroad. We seem to be in denial about our activities.
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1. Not what we're talking about
2. Wrong. They're not "killing off the Kurds." The PKK is a Kurdish terrorist group--labelled as terrorists by Turkey, America and the European Union. In the past few decades of attacks on Turkish civilians and military institutions everywhere from Diyarbakir to Ankara to Istanbul, they've killed more than 30,000 Turks. Turkey has launched a limited campaign, of a limited duration with a relatively small number of soldiers, to weaken the PKK, which has its main bases in the rugged mountains of Northern Iraq, or Iraqi Kurdistan, as the Kurds there like to call it.
3. You have no idea what you're talking about on this matter.
supersheep:
Emm, I don't want to be mean here, but it has been pointed out to you that you might be slightly erroneous on this point already. And just because someone is called a terrorist does not mean they are. See, for example, Republican Sinn Fein, who are a US State Department terrorist organisation despite being a legitimate political party in both Ireland and the UK (countries which have actually been affected by the Continuity IRA.)
Seeing as you seem to be rather passionate about the whole issue of the Turkish being entirely blameless in this matter, I think avoiding the whole issue would be for the best.
doombilly:
--- Quote from: Nodaisho on 26 Feb 2008, 20:58 ---
I would prefer it if nobody had said power, but if only one nation had it, they would be all-powerful. Think of it like a mexican standoff, either side shoots first, they die too. Politicians may be absolutely fine with sending other people's kids off to die, but they are less likely to go for it when they know that they will die too.
Like I said, it would be better if nobody had nukes, but while I am wishing for that, I wish for nobody to ever try to hurt someone, and for a magical pink pony that farts rainbows.
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Yeah, sort of détente. But now we live in a world where some of the people with powerful weapons are not really worried about all their chit going ka-bl00ie. Whether they are Xtian evangelicals or islamic fundies, they think it's ok. It will all work out for them in the afterlife. Where's my magic pony?
Patrick:
"Whether a long range weapon, or suicide bomb, a wicked mind is a weapon of mass destruction."
RedLion:
--- Quote from: supersheep on 26 Feb 2008, 21:42 ---Emm, I don't want to be mean here, but it has been pointed out to you that you might be slightly erroneous on this point already. And just because someone is called a terrorist does not mean they are. See, for example, Republican Sinn Fein, who are a US State Department terrorist organisation despite being a legitimate political party in both Ireland and the UK (countries which have actually been affected by the Continuity IRA.)
Seeing as you seem to be rather passionate about the whole issue of the Turkish being entirely blameless in this matter, I think avoiding the whole issue would be for the best.
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It's not as if I have some kind of vested interest in the issue--I don't have a drop of Turkish blood in my body.
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