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bujiatang:
I didn't bring up Turkey first, I noticed it being mentioned, and added my anecdote and some articles that tied it to some more current events.
While you may have little opinion of my year in Izmir, my point was that Turkey has been particularly open about what their intentions in Iraq are.
If you cool your jets and re read my post you'll notice I was keeping it brief while weighing in. The protest (read guns firing) my sister witnessed horrified her, and it was an Orwellian nightmare when it was not mentioned in the news.
RedLion:
Except, it was in the news. The protest took place in Diyarbakir, in Southeastern Turkey. The protesters threw molotov cocktails at the security and the army--prompting what was extremely harsh and unwarranted measures against the protesters on the part of the latter. Both sides are at fault.
Anyway. This debate has hijacked this topic enough. I'm done.
Barmymoo:
Frullic, I think the difference now is that back then, although there were bombings which destroyed cities and, in the case of France, countries and made a whole lot of mess, there was little chance of destroying the entire planet and rendering it inhabitable for the majority of the population for hundreds of years (I'm being sarcastic; there was no chance).
Although I agree that in wars, the people in power can make some bad decisions, I have to say I'm not convinced anyone who is smart enough to put on their own shoes would not realise how stupid it would be to cause a nuclear war.
That said, if you follow that argument through to the logical conclusion the weapons would never have been created in the first place, so what do I know?
My knowledge of history and geography is severly limited to what they deemed suitable to teach me at school (basically: Hitler, the Holocaust, the crop rotation system in Medieval Britain, the capitals of all the major European cities and the fact that earthquakes are comparable to sex [I failed Geography quite spectacularly]) but nevertheless I think I've got my facts fairly straight.
bujiatang:
'cept the one I am talking about was in the spring of 1993. I don't know where you where then.
Barmymoo:
I was meaning the second world war, I think I may have skipped a few conversation strands.
Edit for sudden, how-stupid-am-I type realisation: Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I realise, were both part of WWII and both clearly disprove my statement that there were no nuclear weapons then, but in fact I think they did help people to realise that nuclear warfare is not, and never will be, the way forwards.
I think I might sound slightly flippant; I'm not. I don't want to get all sentimental but I love this planet, and I can't think of anything worse than being alive when certain members of my species decide to destroy it.
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