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Misereatur:
--- Quote from: SensoryOssuary on 03 Mar 2008, 15:07 ---his stuff his definitely experimental jazz, but not all of it is "free," per se, as he actually composes a lot of material.
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What, Coleman and Dolphy didn't?
Listen to Free Jazz again, dude.
SensoryOssuary:
--- Quote from: Misereatur on 05 Mar 2008, 11:05 ---
--- Quote from: SensoryOssuary on 03 Mar 2008, 15:07 ---his stuff his definitely experimental jazz, but not all of it is "free," per se, as he actually composes a lot of material.
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What, Coleman and Dolphy didn't?
Listen to Free Jazz again, dude.
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That's awfully condescending of you. I'm perfectly aware that many free jazz musicians do not rely solely on improvisation, and often use pre-composed ideas. However, I generally consider Vandermark to be just as much an avant-garde composer as he is a improvising saxophonist. On the contrary, I associate a lot of other well-known free jazz players more with the improvisational aspect of their playing rather than their composed ensemble work, although many work in both paradigms. Another musician who I would group with Ken Vandermark more as avant-garde composer than free jazz musician is John Zorn. Obviously, they both play free music, but I am more familiar with their work as composers.
Anyway, the difference between free jazz, free improvisation, avant-garde jazz, etc. can be highly nebulous and I don't really think it's worth debating. You like what you like.
Misereatur:
Point taken.
Also, try to be less uptight. This is the internet.
Beastmouth:
--- Quote from: Misereatur on 06 Mar 2008, 09:58 ---Point taken.
Also, try to be less uptight. This is the internet.
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The internets are serious business, especially when discussing dudes making a racket with horns, not guitars!
Speaking of, has anyone gotten into Trane's Interstellar Space? It's free, but it's Trane on sax and Mr. Nameescapesme on percussion, so it's much more accessible since you only have to listen to 2 guys going crazy instead of half a dozen. For those who find the whole thing bewildering, I mean
Patrick:
4 day necropost and I'm not really contributing anything at all. Yay!
I like jazz. I was a jazz and swing drummer for a good while, and it is so bloody liberating to be able to do whatever the hell you want. It really is a shame that I haven't done much drumming in the last three years, because there is nothing more exhilarating than playing a drum solo, fucking up, KNOWING you've fucked up, and not caring because IT'S JAZZ I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT.
Also, go listen to some Charles Mingus or you are entirely useless at jazz.
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