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Iron Man
Melodic:
I want this movie to be as awesome as the idea of Iron Man is.
Dimmukane:
--- Quote from: Statik on 11 Mar 2008, 16:17 ---Also, I do understand the need to condense / change material to fit in a different format, but Spiderman 3 was a fucking joke. The whole plot was trash, Venom (one of my two favorite characters in the entire marvel universe) was so horribly underdeveloped. I wouldve preferred the Spiderman cartoon explanation for the suit (JJs son brings it back from space). Apparently "3" makes comic book movies fucking awful (think superman 3, batman 3).
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The producers were probably worried that the general public was gonna claim this was a rip-off of the Fantastic Four bit where Dr. Doom got his powers from space and told them to rewrite it. Not that this makes things better, but it's the only non-stupid explanation I can come up with.
0bsessions:
Actually, the most logical explanation is the simplest one:
It would've added either an extra ten or so minutes of barely relevant plot or a huge jump in budget to accomodate an introduction scene. They don't have to go the full route of the cartoon, but in order for Spider-Man to logically have been exposed to it before someone else would be, it would have to have involved some form of rescue of John from a returning craft. In order to pull that off, they would have to throw in the rocket crash which is a very expensive kind of scene to make that probably would've pumped a large amount of cash from the budget. In order to keep it reasonable, they probably would've had to completely cut the Sandman. They could've gone various other routes, but all of them would've resulted in meaningless tangents. Coincidental meteorite strike is sound both budget and time constraint-wise. In the interest of being more logical without seeming irrelevant to the character or incredibly costly would be the idea from Ultimate Spider-Man. In that continuity, the symbiote was not an alien, but a genetic construct that Richard Parker (Peter's father) was working on before his death in an effort to treat cancer.
More on topic of Iron Man, I always found Stark much more interesting than Rhodes. Rhodes never really stood out as anything other than a generic military man. Stark as the alcoholic playboy was just a very deep and interesting character.
Statik:
I think me liking Rhodes/WM over Stark/IM is a matter of how the armor looked... War Machine just looked more bad-ass, and being a teen boy who was into military stuff, I guess I just preferred the look of the WM armor over the regular armor.
On the tangent of Spiderman 3 - What I think pissed me off even more than the shitty venom (dont get me wrong, I did like Topher) is the MAJOR ret-con of the absolute single most defining moment in Spider-mans life. Spider-Man is probably my favorite super hero of all time (not my favorite comic character) and I bought damn near every Spider-Man comic (yes, all 4, "Plain", Amazing, Spectactular, Web of) for many years. I wouldve preferred them to pick one villan, either do Sandman, or do Venom, but not both. Especially when the Spider-Man movies seem to be suffering from Batman syndrome, the inclusion of too many god damn villans. A movie just dealing with the new Green Goblin, and the suit transition from Peter to Brock (and a fight between the new Venom and Spidey, possibly with Goblin thrown in wouldve been fine). An idea I had before anything had been announced about Spidey3, except for Venoms inclusion was that, they kind of do something similar to the comic. Rather than John Jameson be an astronaut, hes just a test pilot, gets hit by falling space junk (the suit), spidey of course rescues him, burns up part of his suit, and gets the symbiote in the process.
Anyway, sorry, not trying to hijack the thread.
The Cheesinator:
--- Quote from: JimmytheSquid on 29 Feb 2008, 20:57 ---Stark is basically just a guy in a fancy suit.
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Man, that's what I love about Iron Man. He's just a guy hanging out in the proverbial playground of superheroes. Although he does have that whole Extremis thing going on, would that count as a super-power?
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