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Johnny C:
--- Quote from: tommydski on 02 Mar 2008, 09:49 ---Next time anyone says this, think about the fact that I have a degree.
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What's your degree in again?
onewheelwizzard:
I'm determined to go through grad school at some point. The kind of work that I want to do with my life requires letters after my name.
I sure as hell don't want to get started on THAT project for at least 4 or 5 years after slogging through the last of undergrad. I graduate in 2 1/2 months and I am STILL not prepared to focus my life on school nearly enough to get what I want out of it. I need to do other shit for a good while before I start on my life's work.
tania:
--- Quote from: E. Spaceman on 01 Mar 2008, 20:13 ---I really wanted to go to university and got accepted into them ivy leagues and mcgills and whatnot but then i didn't have enough money to go.
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one of my best friends during first year of uni got a scholarship worth something liike $5000 when she was accepted to guelph. however, she also had parents that were stupid rich and they decided the best reward for her hard work would be to give her the $5000 they were originally going to spend on her tuition in spending money instead. she pretty much spent it all on drugs.
guelph offers a ridiculously small number of scholarships to students. something like 6 awarded annually for about 1500 first year social science undergraduates alone. i don't know about other schools but i'm guessing it's similar. apparently rich kids who don't even need the money can end up getting them. i think there needs to be a better system here.
E. Spaceman:
Scholarships are generally divided into two types, academic excellence ones and financial need ones. Academic ones are usually a "free for all best grades gets them", while financial ones do require that the applicant have an actual need. Scholarships for foreigners are way more limited though, and usually only compete for the academic ones. I did actually recieve scholarships for varying amounts from a few places, including a 5000 one from Guelph. However that wasn't quite enough so boo, i alro ran into the amusing situation that my parents, while not being filthy rich, could have paid the things but decided not to, but since i am not from a poor family, i couldn't get one of the financial help things. It was quit shitty.
jhocking:
heh, I teach in higher education now, and my own screwy educational background says a lot about my views on the value and point of education. Like, most of the skills I now teach I learned on my own, not in a class. After all, my undergraduate studies were in a completely different field, and grad school was about deepening my existing artistic practice, not learning fundamental skills.
--- Quote from: ForteBass on 01 Mar 2008, 10:45 ---These things are my exact problems in higher education. Experience, skill, and knowledge of a field don't mean much anymore. It only seems to count if you have your baccalaureate, masters, etc.
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Although I agree with your point overall, I do want to play devil's advocate here. I mean, while the whole view of education as simply job training is pretty sickening (starting from elementary school incidentally, this isn't just about higher education,) there are a number of important points of practicality to consider. Not the least of which being that employers need filters when screening candidates. After all, while it would be peachy keen if employers really got to know every candidate, spending the time to get a full understanding of each person's experiences and knowledge, that simply isn't reasonable when there are hundreds of applicants. The employer isn't going to spend the time and money to run a hundred intensive counseling sessions, they need to quickly and efficiently find someone who can do the job. Credentials are a fast way for HR to narrow the field to people more likely to be able to do the job.
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Incidentally, one of the schools I teach at, the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, takes an approach that, while entirely too idealistic to work for most students/institutions, I like a great deal. SAIC doesn't bother with grades (The only other school without grades that I can think of off the top of my head is Brown). All classes are pass/fail, and so everything is based around students actually being motivated to learn. Besides, it's art school; people don't go to art school expecting the degree to land them a job.
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