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Barmymoo:
I LOVE the Rugrats.
For my fifteenth birthday, I got a Recess DVD. It was my second favourite present (the first favourite being a goat which was sent to Africa by Oxfam and I never got to pet).
The scariest modern kids' cartoon I've seen is one I saw when accompanying a friend to the family planning clinic. It was some kind of Looney Tunes cartoon and it was absolutely terrifying, gun shots and sudden "actually that scene wasn't real, let's do it over again" and everyone running round like they were on drugs. I think it might have been a sneaky way to discourage teenage pregnancies or something. The poor kids who were there with their parents are probably scarred for life.
RedLion, you have some good points but at the same time, if Wet Helmet gives up trying to discipline his daughter purely because it isn't working at the moment, then she will never learn. I had the same experience and now I'm starting to listen and adapt my attitude. I'm a few years older, so maybe it just takes time and perseverence. No, I correct myself: it DOES just take time and perserverence. And a good dictionary, that is not spelt right.
ruyi:
--- Quote from: RedLion on 10 Mar 2008, 13:50 ---The whole rebellion thing needs to happen. The child has to break away from the parental unit, no matter how "cool" the parent might be, and they often have to break away violently. It's a societal and, in many ways, a biological need. The alternative is the complete stifling of emotional and intellectual growth and the instillation of dependency. You can break a minor's back if you crack down on them hard enough and often enough, but the end result of that will be 100 times worse than the hot-headed rebellion and irrationality that you're dealing with.
Often--not always, but often--anger, on the part of a person who is coming of age, is a good thing, as long as they then mature and leave that anger behind in favor of acceptance and a calm determination. But until then, a healthy level of anger is necessary. I's needed. It provides the fuel that's required to move them forward into adulthood. No matter how maddening it is, it's something that has to happen, and you might as well embrace it and just do what you can to stop them from going too far, and working to help them facilitate that anger and channel it in productive ways.
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Isn't this culturally relative?
Anyways, this thread has made me nostalgic for Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.
A Wet Helmet:
Comments redacted because I was a) mocking and b) being mean
onewheelwizzard:
Wet Helmet and RedLion, you guys are having an argument over nothing. Let's let the accusations of harmful parenting and drug abuse go, shall we?
It sounds to me like the following things are almost certainly true in most situations:
1. Parents need to exercise authority over their kids so that their kids have a basis for treating their parents as role models (nobody will emulate someone who allows them to do whatever they want ... they'll just do what they want instead).
2. Adolescents need to spend some time realizing that they're independent people, that their parents are old and uncool and embarrassing, and that in order to be who and what they want to be, they need to say "no" to their parents at least some of the time. Otherwise they will not be able to assert independence when it is required of them.
3. The optimal outcome of this tension during adolescence is that the kid grows up a bit and manages to become fully independent, but also begins to understand what their parents were trying to say the whole time, and a healthy relationship between parent and child ensues.
If we agree that this is a more or less fitting progression for a parent-child relationship to go through, why bother getting into specifics? Each family does things differently, and as such different approaches work for different families. Basically, whatever parenting strategy anyone uses is used with the hope that the child will grow up smart enough to understand why their parents raised them the way they did, and what their parents' goals were for them. You can't zero in on some strategy or another and say "this will or won't work," not when every family is different ... all you can say is "I think that when I have kids I will try this" or "I have kids and this seems to be working so far."
Patrick:
--- Quote from: A Wet Helmet on 10 Mar 2008, 14:53 ---Because despite your tremendous penchant for verbosity, your reading comprehension skills seem to be lacking.
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So meet me halfway and tell me how best to have rational discourse with you, because frankly you have me at a loss.
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OH MY GOD THE IRONY IS GOING TO KILL ME
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