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Liz:
I appreciate all-ages shows because I'm not 21 yet, so they let me see some good music. I just wish more shows would be 18+ instead of all-ages because that would keep out the obnoxious 14 year old fangirls that seem to show up for everything.
mooface:
oh man there are too many posts and they are soooo long and whiny. but i just wanted to point out that hellooo, here in italy there is basically no drinking age at all and we are all a-ok! people still get drunk and act stupid when they are young but not nearly at the level that americans do. and when they get older they mostly just drink glasses of wine with their food and chill out. so i don't know if lowering the drinking age would help anything, but i thought i'd throw out an example of a country where 5 year olds can legally drink but where young adults don't get shit faced every time they go out.
maybe this is just a cultural thing? are people of anglo saxxon origin just predisposed towards being stupid alcoholics? maybe!
i think it couldn't hurt anything to lower the drinking age. teenagers in america are already getting drunk too much, and being really stupid while doing so. i don't know a single person (in the states) willing to obey the drinking age. maybe if people got used the fact that they could drink whenever they wanted when they were young then they would get the fuck over it by the time they got older.
personal anecdote: i've been offered wine at the dinner table since i was a kid, but i never grew to like it. my father is very disappointed in me. the only thing i can drink is bitch drinks because the fruit juice covers up the grossness. even then i would prefer a coke. the few times i got drunk was because "well everyone seems to have so much fun doing it that it must be kind of fun right?" after 3 or 4 tries i realized that i am a weirdo and have much more fun when sober. oh well, i save a lot of money that way!
Lines:
I agree with the 18+. The ONLY benefit of having younger teens at a show is because they are shorter and provide a better view. Other than that, especially for shows where the audience is dancing/moshing/squishing other people, it's not good to have younger kids, because they get trampled. I forget what the band was, but it was a metal band my friends went to see and they spent most of the show helping this couple keep others from crushing their kids, who were around 10. That and going to all ages shows makes me feel very old, because the kids look at you like, "OMG, WTF, she's leik so old."
For the teacher thing, I considered being a teacher until I realized 1) I didn't want to stay in school for an extra year and 2) I don't want to end up teaching art to people who don't really want to be there. I can only take little kids for so long, so I would have taught older kids, but then I remembered what shits I went to high school with who treated my teachers like crap. I would not be able to put up with that crap for 5 days a week. I gave my teachers a LOT of respect because they did deserve it. Putting up with shitty kids to try to help improve their life and give them the education they needed deserves respect. I happened to really like a lot of my teachers and I felt badly for them when some random idiot gave them shit. The teachers who were douche bags, though, I did not disrespect them, but I felt no empathy for them if kids decided to mess with them. If I ever decide that I want to teach, I will either teach community classes or I will get my MFA and teach college level. At least then I know that the people I'm teaching actually want to learn.
a pack of wolves:
The last time I went to an all ages gig with moshing the ten year olds were doing speaker dives. Let them get a little squashed, it's what being a kid's all about. After getting flattened by a large man falling over in a circle pit it will have taught them a valuable lesson to make sure they look where they're going or they could overbalance a gentleman of girth moving at speed.
Patrick:
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--- Quote from: Patrick on 11 Mar 2008, 16:06 ---The thing is, I'm not even worried about alcoholism.
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Good for you. However, this is of little comfort to the rest of the world. I'm going to go ahead and suggest that possibly the reason you don't drink as much as you might because you don't have the opportunity very often.
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All it takes is me calling some friends and going downtown (a 30 minute walk from here, 5-10 minutes by taxi depending on traffic) and hitting up a bar. You do have a point regarding the living-with-my-mother thing, and I'll give you that, but when I was in Alaska I had people who would've bought me beer if I had given them the money, but it never happened. I drank on two occasions there and was never past a good buzz (probably had something to do with the fact that MGD is shit, but whatever).
--- Quote from: mooface on 12 Mar 2008, 08:50 ---but i just wanted to point out that hellooo, here in italy there is basically no drinking age at all and we are all a-ok! people still get drunk and act stupid when they are young but not nearly at the level that americans do. and when they get older they mostly just drink glasses of wine with their food and chill out.
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I swear Italy and Albania are clones of each other in this respect. Even the foreigners (Yanks, Canadians, Brits and the like) will sometimes let their 10-and-up kids drink occasionally.
I honestly believe that if you don't make a big deal out of alcohol when kids are young, there isn't so much mystery behind it, and there isn't such an air of "Drinking is exclusive because it's only for the cool adults" surrounding it. When I was a little kid in elementary school, there were the kids who would be like "Yeah my dad let me have a sip of his whiskey" and other kids would be like "OH LUCKYYYYY". I was one of the kids saying how lucky the other kid was.
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