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RedLion:
--- Quote from: Patrick on 12 Mar 2008, 14:38 ---
--- Quote from: Sox on 12 Mar 2008, 10:37 ---The more difficult it is to obtain alcohol, the fewer people will drink it.
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Yeah, uh, history has already showed us how that can backfire.
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Oh man, but I'd love to go back to that time, in spirit if not in law. Going to a Speakeasy in the 1920's would be amazing. And Bootleggers, while not a pleasant lot, were probably much better than the drug cartels we've got nowadays.
ADDENDUM.
--- Quote from: E. Spaceman on 12 Mar 2008, 00:10 ---
--- Quote ---Whoa whoa whoa! Call people by whatever name that they ask you to call them by, not whatever you decide on. Jeez.
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why?
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So if you introduced yourself to someone and said "my name's John," and the other person responded "Yeah? Well I'm going to call you Alfonzo every time I see you," and then did that, you wouldn't be the smallest bit annoyed? It doesn't really have anything to do with the idea of respect, but with the idea of not being a douche.
Patrick:
--- Quote from: ephemere on 12 Mar 2008, 14:41 ---what?! banning alcohol altogether isn't even remotely the same thing as having it available only to people of a certain age. everyone gets older eventually.
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The example is still valid though. If you make laws ridiculous, somebody's going to break them.
Scandanavian War Machine:
--- Quote from: Patrick on 12 Mar 2008, 15:22 ---If you make laws, lots and lots of people are going to break them.
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fixed
Amaroq:
--- Quote from: Elizzybeth on 12 Mar 2008, 14:43 ---I'm sorry for your loss. But thank you. It's nice to hear that people have made decisions like that and truly managed to stick to them. Some of my friends seem to have a "well, that's fine for now, Elizabeth, but one day, when you're as mature and as cool as we are, you're probably going to try it" attitude, which has maybe started to get to me a little bit (actually, my mom, too--she's been offering me pot when I complain of menstrual cramps).
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You're welcome; and thanks, its been 20 years but as you can tell I still think about him sometimes.
That's a subtle form of peer pressure; I've heard it applied to sex as well. Maybe hearing it in that context will help: some swingers I knew used it to argue for the swinger lifestyle: "We're just so much more well-adjusted than the typical judeo-christian-ethic American sex hang-up; when you're as well adjusted as we are, you'll want to try it too."
Its a classic trick of debate: the statement starts with the postulate that their choice about drug use, or swinging, or whatever, is inherently more "right" (sophisticated, mature, etc) than the choice not to. They take that postulate as a given; you don't. Neither is right or wrong - but the way they're phrasing it is: "Because we're right, the fact that you disagree with us implies something is wrong with you." That stems from our human tendency to "want to be right". And of course, by using words with high positive connotation (cool, mature) its playing on your emotions and natural desire to want to fit in.
I got that a bit, about the drug use thing, but for the most part I was lucky: I surrounded myself with people who respected my choice, even if it wasn't the same choice they'd made.
It still trips me out a bit to know that my mom's done more drugs than I ever will.. :laugh:
Boro_Bandito:
--- Quote from: RedLion on 12 Mar 2008, 14:52 ---
Oh man, but I'd love to go back to that time, in spirit if not in law. Going to a Speakeasy in the 1920's would be amazing. And Bootleggers, while not a pleasant lot, were probably much better than the drug cartels we've got nowadays.
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Man, That is the best party idea I've heard in a while. I'm going to have to pull it off. Invite two groups of people, the first has to dress in 20's costume and then have mixed drinks in old bottles with labels like moonshine and absynthe.
Then about half an hour in have the second group show up in police uniform.
But yeah, You do know that Bootleggers are more or less the start of organized crime in the US? Nothing bad has ever come from any of that has there?
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