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Switchblade:
--- Quote from: Patrick on 14 Mar 2008, 05:55 ---I'd prefer Captain 1880s but I will take what I can get.
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Sorry, the special effects budget won't stretch that far.
If you're willing to downgrade to cigars I think we can compromise on Captain 1920s though....
pilsner:
--- Quote from: onewheelwizzard on 14 Mar 2008, 00:58 ---Oh, and the last study done on the link between weed and cancer found literally zero indication that weed increases cancer risk. That's not as huge and amazing as it sounds, because they had to control for cigarette smoking among their subjects and so there was a pretty serious confound, but if you trust statistics as a discipline, the fact that they found a 2000% (20X) increased risk for cancer due to cigarette smoking compared to a 0% or even negative risk associated with weed, it starts to make you think.
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Oh, and the second-largest organization of medical professionals in the nation just endorsed medical marijuana and called for research!
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I read an article a few months back summarizing research attempting to explain the apparent contradiction that regular marijuana smokers don't have higher than normal cancer rates, and nothing approaching the cancer rates of cigarette smokers. Apparently, some researchers are speculating that antioxidants from the marijuana counteract the carcinogens in the burning cigarette. I'd love to find that article.
Dennis used the phrase confirmation bias and I think that's a very apt way to summarize much of the marijuana research to date. When you construe the situation as a "war on drugs" and demand research to sustain your side in this "war", it shouldn't be surprising that some of the research ends up one-sided.
Incidentally, the U.S. now has the world's largest prison population, with 7 million Americans or 1 in 32 in jail. Between 1995 and 2003, inmates imprisoned for drug offenses constituted 49% of the drug population. You can draw a direct line between the lies promulgated about pot in particular and drug use in general and the epic level of dysfunction in the U.S. prison system.
0bsessions:
I have known a handful of people who got "hooked" on pot. You know why? They were mentally infirm losers to begin with. Pot is not physically addictive, it's mentally addictive. The kind of people who get hooked on pot are the kind of people who can get hooked on anything because they're emotional cripples who need something to either dull the pain of their meaningless existance or fill the void left by something they're lacking (Nine times out of ten, that something is a fucking personality or they've waited too long between fucking ICP releases).
Alcohol, on the other hand, is physically addictive. You can develop a chemical dependance on it if you have the genetic inclination.
Yes, in a complete vacuum, pot is worse for you. One joint is going to be more unhealthy than one beer because you're depriving your brain of oxygen for a minute and inhaling something that isn't air (Though one joint is less harmful than one cigarette). The thing is, how the fuck often do you see someone drink "just one beer?" The calming and enjoyment effect of one joint would take you close to a dozen beers to emulate and a case of beer is definitely worse for your body as a whole than a single joint. A joint will harm your lungs slightly and have a minor chemical effect on your brain that will only have any lasting effects if you abuse it, which is the same as anything. Abusing caffeine will fuck you up about as bad, too much water can fuck up your bladder, sugar will harm you if you have too much. A case of beer, on the other hand, will fuck with your brain, your liver, your stomache and your circulatory system. You can also drink yourself to death, you cannot smoke yourself to death. You'd long since pass out before you could inhale the amount of pot it would take to somehow overdose on marijuana. One bad night of drinking can kill you or leave you brain damaged, though. The only times you run into shit with pot is when you get something laced with a harder drug and that's a different animal entirely and completely irrelevant to the discussion.
You can keep your studies for all I care. I've tried both. I've thrown up plenty from drinking, I've had many my share of hangovers, but I've never even SEEN a bad experience with pot. If you wanna tell me that pot is worse than me for alcohol I say you put up or shut up, try it and then tell me I'm wrong.
pilsner:
It's true that an addictive personality will find something to get addicted to. A disproportionate number of overeaters who get gastric bypass surgery become alcoholics, gambling addicts, and obsessive forum surfers with really high post counts (probably).
tania:
just to add to jon's point: the current estimate of how much pot you'd have to smoke in order to induce a lethal response is 100 pounds per minute, for 15 minutes straight. obviously this is not physically possible.
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