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no one special:
*OKIAMGOINGTOTALKABOUTTHEMOVIENOWOMGDONTREADTHISIFYOUHAVENTSEENIT*
SO here's my question to those who have seen it:
Given the content of the ending of the movie... I don't like the fact that Tony Stark went to go see General Ross, I really don't. When I first heard his voice and saw him walk in, I thought, "It's gotta be Stark with an idea about Hulkbuster Armor," which would make sense and is also what the alternate easter egg points to. But instead when he starts talking about putting a team together - It's obvious that he's talking about 'creating" Captain America. I HATE the idea that someone like Colonel Ross could have anything to do with the creation of Captain America... but hey, that's what they've set up.
I also thought it was interesting that they put the "Weapons Plus" label on the canister that the Super-Soldier serum was in, that storyline being so relatively new. Apparently it is considered canon now? Someone let me know if I'm wrong, I haven't gotten to read any of the "Weapons Plus" comics. So I guess in the 'Captain America' movie, they're going to have to somehow blow up that military compound and all the serum and research contained within, since there's only supposed to be one true Super Soldier (i.e. Cap), right?
Also. they really should have made the Stark/Ross thing a true easter egg, not make it part of the movie itself. It just smacks of trying WAY too hard.
0bsessions:
Man, you know what the only thing more annoying than nitpicky comic fans? People who nitpick comic movies that don't actually read the comics. You seem to have missed the point of a lot of stuff:
For one, movies don't follow the standard comic book continuity, nor will they ever. That's a ridiculous demand. Just because things happened such and such way in the comics, doesn't mean it has to happen that way in the movie.
Secondly, no, there isn't only "one true super soldier." That's the point of the Weapon Plus idea. In each and every continuity, there were multiple super soldiers, but Cap was first success(Wolverine was a part of the same program). From there, the Weapon Plus program was a program intending to recreate the success of the original Super Soldier serum. Isiah Bradley, Wolverine and, to an extent, Patriot are all results of the Weapon Plus program. Their being a variation of the Super Soldier formula in Ross' posession has absolutely zero bearing on Captain America's past in the movie universe.
In point of fact, it's been well established by the director that Captain America is intended to follow the same idea of being created in WW II and then frozen. They filmed a scene where Banner actually journeys to the arctic in an effort to kill himself and, while there, he encounters what appears to be a human body frozen in the ice. This scene was cut as they felt it was too dark. Leterrier says they plan to release the scene on the internet soon and it will make it into the DVD in all likelihood.
Surgoshan:
Yeah, the fact that the weapon program was created in WWII and then mostly mothballed until the Hulk was created strongly implied that Captain America was created in WWII, rather than by Ross.
no one special:
Ok, sheesh, sorry, didn't mean to get your panties up in a bunch :-P
Clearly I do not obsess about comics the way you do (and clearly that makes me SO inferior to your awesomeness), and apparently they were not talking about "creating" Captain America - my bad. But I am still impressed that you pretty much completely missed the point of my post.
First of all, I wasn't asking that the comic continuity be completely represented OMGITSJUSTLIKETHACOMIX in the movie. At what point did I "demand" that? I'd never expect that, and there's never been a comic book movie where's that's happened. The mention about Weapons Plus was to say that I would be surprised if something so relatively new were to be considered canon - the fact that it was in the movie was actually rather impressive to me, showed they did their homework. Also, please note that I asked if it was canon, implying that I did not know. That doesn't mean that I expected everything in the movie to be straight from the comic! Good Lord man, you must have some Hulk-sized legs to jump to a conclusion like that. Also, I personally didn't consider Wolverine a "Super Soldier" - yes, i know he went through the same program, but he was a mutant, it's not like they gave him the serum or anything.
And the whole point about "the director already established etc etc etc." - how, exactly, would I have known that from watching the movie? I was simply talking about my impressions from seeing the movie And from seeing the movie, that was the conclusion I drew from Stark propositioning Colonel Ross.
On that topic - why did Stark proposition Colonel Ross? If not to create Cap, then something else to do with the Super-Soldier serum? I mean, Stark's gotta have a million contacts in the military - why go talk to Ross? I'd love to hear some other opinions on the matter, I'm curious to hear what some rational people have to say.
WTF happened to this thread to make it so damned mean-spirited? Sheesh.
ANYWAYS, overall I really liked the movie. Not as amazing as Iron Man, but I feel like there was a slightly lesser script to work with. The CGI worked, I loved the scene in the waterfall - it really showed Hulk's personality well. Norton did a great job, as did William Hurt. I feel like the Hulk is too complex of a character to be summed up in one film, but I feel like they did a really good job with this one! :-)
Ozymandias:
--- Quote from: no one special on 17 Jun 2008, 18:17 ---WTF happened to this thread to make it so damned mean-spirited? Sheesh.
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I don't know, but I do know Jon has been the target of pantybunching references twice in this thread and hasn't been a big enough asshole to warrant it.
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