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The most hilarious thing I have ever read in relation to Joss Whedon
a pack of wolves:
The bartender had a very good reason to believe the woman instead of your friend regardless of gender, which is that if he believes her then he didn't make a mistake and kicking the two of you out is probably the simplest option from his point of view. Also, what evidence do you have for police officers automatically believing women over men? Personally I've heard more anecdotal evidence of the opposite.
I agree with you about the seriousness of all sexual assault though, regardless of the genders of those involved.
camelpimp:
I think, in general, sexual assault needs to be taken more seriously. "Hey, here's another comic that exploits sexual assault as a comedic device." (That was... Shortpacked! I believe)
idiolect:
Again, I agree about sexual assault being taken more seriously etc etc etc, but it would be really awesome if this and other stuff I've seen called "masculinist" made more of an effort to serious positive activism and less of this weird "the girls get treated all special and it's not fair" stuff.
I'd argue that in the situations where the girls do get treated all special, as it were, it's a function of the enforcing of certain gender roles -- e.g. say the bartender knew, and was letting her get away with stuff because he wanted to get laid and now she'd feel a little indebted to him and thus more likely to "do him a favor" or some such -- which is ultimately not actually a benifit to women, even though it might've gotten one of them a few bucks this one time.
KvP:
--- Quote from: camelpimp on 30 Mar 2008, 18:19 ---I think, in general, sexual assault needs to be taken more seriously. "Hey, here's another comic that exploits sexual assault as a comedic device." (That was... Shortpacked! I believe)
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Look out for the Bitstrips thread!
Switchblade:
The thing that got to me was the number of people who responded with things like (and this is an actual quote) "Hi. I found your essay insightful and very well researched." and agreed with her.
Seriously, this isn't feminism - this is misandry of the worst kind. I'M a feminist, in the classical sense - I believe that women and men should receive equal treatment in all things. I wouldn't try to hold Whedon up as a shining example of feminism in the mainstream media, but he's certainly better than average when it comes to the equal treatment of both genders - they're both glamourised equally.
--- Quote ---The next scene we meet Kaylee, the ship’s mechanic. <- Lookee, lookee, feminist empowerment. In this scene Mal and Jayne are stowing away the cargo they just stole. Kaylee is chatting to them, happily. Jayne asks Mal to get Kaylee to stop being so cheerful. Mal replies, “Sometimes you just wanna duct tape her mouth and dump her in the hold for a month.” Yes, that is an exact quote, “Sometimes you just wanna DUCT TAPE HER MOUTH and DUMP HER IN THE HOLD FOR A MONTH.” Kaylee responds by grinning and giving Mal a kiss on the cheek and saying, “I love my Captain.”
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It's as if this person has never heard of "jokes". A halfway-rational person watching that scene would immediately recognize from Mal's tone of voice and expression that he is in no way serious about that statement and was just poking fun at his friend - as friends do.
the whole "article" from start to finish betrays a massive prejudice on it's writer's part. She really ought to evaluate her own biases before accusing other people of sexism.
In other news, this person is a lunatic who can and should be ignored. She makes those of us who are genuinely interested in the fair and even-handed treatment of both genders look bad.
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