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est:
Hi all!

I know that Yahtzee gave the Witcher a panning, but I am sufficiently interested in it to consider buying it once the price comes down a bit & trying to ignore some of the pitfalls he talked about.  Does anyone really like it?

Can anyone suggest any alternatives for a relatively new RPG that fits the following criteria:

- the main characters aren't plucky young do-gooder kids, off on an adventure!!!1
- the back-story isn't shit

That's about it, I guess.  Here's a list of similar games I've already played and liked:  Morrowind, Oblivion, Diablo 2,

Here's a list of games I know about already: Mass Effect, the Witcher.

Here's a list of games I've played and either didn't like or while I did like them aren't what I am looking for right now: Final Fantasy anything.  Golden Sun.  the Mana series.  Neverwinter Nights 2 (have it & kind of like it, but it's still a bunch of kids)

Also, at this point a horror or suspense/mystery RPG would probably be good.  Silent Hill/Alone in the Dark crossed with Morrowind/Oblivion or NWN would be excellent.  A ye olde zombie RPG using steel and magic against the undead in a bleak, medieval apocalyptic landscape would also be great.

Can anyone help out?  Even mods for existing games would be good.

Surgoshan:
I've heard good things about Indigo Prophecy.  Call of Cthulhu received generally positive reviews.

Then, of course, there's always the game of games, Planescape: Torment.

KvP:
If you're not averse to oldies, Fallout's your game.

PS:T is a very deep game, but it can be really hard to get into, even for people who eat CRPGs up. Combat just isn't much fun. But the good stuff is really great.

Knights of the Old Republic 2 is really surprisingly dark and dense and made by the same guys who made PS:T (I guess they decided to go the Empire route for the sequel) sadly it's not a really "whole" game, but once The TSL Restoration Project is wrapped up, which should be within the year, there's really no excuse not to try it out. You might even have some fun with the unfinished version. The distance from George Lucas' trilogy really helps the game.

Indigo Prophecy was mostly good but really falls apart in the last third, most likely due to the episodic model they planned falling apart.

Call of Cthulu is more of a first-person adventure game. The fights are bang-your-head-against-the-wall hard, and some of the puzzles can seemingly take hours to figure out.

STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl is a sprawling exploration game in the Oblivion mold with a lot of unique (sometimes frustrating) survival horror elements mixed in. Limited inventory, deteriorating equipment, invisible monsters, etc. A remarkable, if somewhat flawed and (in that Eastern European way) inscrutable game.

RobbieOC:
That HK-droid factory they mention sounds awesome.

What's the best way to get ahold of a copy of Fallout?

est:
Thanks for the suggestions.  Indigo Prophecy looks ok, but is more of an action-adventure title.  Call of Cthulhu looks to be a FPS/action-adventure game.  I am definitely going to check these out more, but at the moment I'm more in the mood for an RPG.

Also, I am certainly not overly adverse to old games and will check them out, but I would prefer recent ones as graphics date rather quickly.  The Fallout universe is something that interests me, and I am looking forward to upcoming Fallout game.

Even though it's mostly an FPS STALKER is something that I've been wanting to check out for a while now.  Now that it is getting cheap I might pick up a copy and check it out.

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