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The Great Porn Debate
Cartilage Head:
I'm pretty sure I invented the idea of pocket-fucking. It is where a guy sticks his dick in a woman's pants pocket.
torontoguy2k8:
--- Quote from: n0t_r0bert_b0yle!! on 06 May 2008, 03:27 ---If only everyone in society could differentiate between simulation and reality but not every one can. This is the major problem with rape fetishes (?). Some people will take what they see and re-enact the simulation, turn it from a realistic expression into a total reality.
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Well see the thing is, for the most part rape fetishes and actual rape for the most part are two entirely different entities.
When it comes to actual rape, there is usually some sort of intent for doing harm unto the victim. I have NEVER read about a single instance of rape where the victim was consensual, expectant, or accepting of the rape in ANY way shape or form.
Now on the other hand you have rape as a FETISH. This is almost always (95%+) a premeditated and consensual activity. There is absolutely NO intention of harm or abuse, and there is usually, if not always, a way to stop it if one of the people is suddenly uncomfortable with the situation. I can speak from personal experience as this is something I engage in from time to time. For people who are interested in the fetish, the simulated loss of power and control over the "situation" translate into a huge turn on.
And for the most part, there are communities for meeting people with interest in this particular fetish, as well as self help guides to help people identify with that part of themselves.
As for what influences the fetish, I couldn't say. In my case, it's a passion for the submissive lifestyle, but each person is different.
So from my understanding of the topic, any poor bastard that CAN'T tell the difference between the fetish and reality sides of rape is one SERIOUSLY under-educated person. One is performed as an explicit means to do harm unto another, one is meant for physical enjoyment. If it gets out of hand, a girl will say stop or a pre-designated safe word. If you didn't agree on one, it's probably not consensual. Doesn't take a genius to tell the difference.
As for raped performed under the influence, 2 solutions (in my opinion) 1. bust a nut before drinking to get rid of the hormones making you horny in the first place, or drink with a friend that will smack you silly if you ever try anything. I need not worry about either, I drink with my girlfriend (of whom I am fiercely loyal to) and she would whoop my ass if I tried anything while drunk. (or turn it around and rape my silly drunk ass. which is cool with me)
I apologize for my rant, just thought I would interject my opinion as I am one of the RARE men who enjoy this particular fetish.
If I missed anything feel free to call me on it. This is all my opinion and is always open to interpretation.
((First post, sorry for not making a welcome thread. This one just caught my eye. If I broke any rules [yes I did read em] please let me know))
Jimmy the Squid:
Man, fuck you for having the most well written first post I've ever seen. Seriously, you have just made everyone else look bad.
Fenriswolf:
First, thank you torontoguy. I was really interested in a POV from a rape-fetishist. Now, when you say you have a passion for the submissive lifestyle, are you the sub? I got a little obsessed with the idea of 24-7 for a while (I think I am at heart a switch with more enthusiasm for subbing... but my partner is 100% vanilla so I guess I'll live without going there :()
--- Quote from: torontoguy2k8 on 08 May 2008, 00:15 ---
--- Quote from: n0t_r0bert_b0yle!! on 06 May 2008, 03:27 ---If only everyone in society could differentiate between simulation and reality but not every one can. This is the major problem with rape fetishes (?). Some people will take what they see and re-enact the simulation, turn it from a realistic expression into a total reality.
--- End quote ---
Well see the thing is, for the most part rape fetishes and actual rape for the most part are two entirely different entities.
When it comes to actual rape, there is usually some sort of intent for doing harm unto the victim. I have NEVER read about a single instance of rape where the victim was consensual, expectant, or accepting of the rape in ANY way shape or form.
Now on the other hand you have rape as a FETISH. This is almost always (95%+) a premeditated and consensual activity. There is absolutely NO intention of harm or abuse, and there is usually, if not always, a way to stop it if one of the people is suddenly uncomfortable with the situation. I can speak from personal experience as this is something I engage in from time to time. For people who are interested in the fetish, the simulated loss of power and control over the "situation" translate into a huge turn on.
And for the most part, there are communities for meeting people with interest in this particular fetish, as well as self help guides to help people identify with that part of themselves.
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Let me just clarify that I have absolutely no problem with the above. I can't say I personally relate to it, but it is a more honest sexuality than what's pimped by the mainstream anyway
--- Quote ---So from my understanding of the topic, any poor bastard that CAN'T tell the difference between the fetish and reality sides of rape is one SERIOUSLY under-educated person. One is performed as an explicit means to do harm unto another, one is meant for physical enjoyment. If it gets out of hand, a girl will say stop or a pre-designated safe word. If you didn't agree on one, it's probably not consensual. Doesn't take a genius to tell the difference.
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Ahh, but I don't think that argument really addresses desensitisation (with porn as one of the media). Truly, desensitisation is a discussion I am loathe to touch in real life for it generally does lead to people patting each other on the back over the idea of banning all violent video games/other stuff that really disturbs me. But it is real, and against the backdrop of almost accepted sexual violence I think we need to treat glorified sexual violence differently to other violence - no one ever blames the victim for being robbed, beaten or having their throat cut. Women are routinely blamed for being raped.
Look forward to hearing more from you :wink:
Fenriswolf:
--- Quote from: Elizzybeth on 05 May 2008, 23:30 ---I agree with you that real rape is unacceptable under any circumstances, but I think criminalizing people who watch rape porn is an unhealthy move as a society--if roleplaying rape scenarios is 100% legal, why should watching porn of such scenarios (which were filmed legally, with consenting actors) be illegal? And again, as other people have mentioned, the censors are going to have to find the thin line between pornography and film: if you can't have a rape scene in pornography, why should we be allowed to have it in film? Is sexual stimulation truly so different from the pleasure we get from high art? Can we have rape scenes in movies, but we're not allowed to enjoy them? Are the thought police going to come hang out on my couch while we watch American History X, taping sensors to my nipples and genitalia during the shower rape scene, just in case?
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I just cannot believe that fetishising rape (as a consensual activity... man, there's no succinct way to say that), which can be healthy within certain bounds, is particularly closely linked to enjoying rape porn. I believe that as a rape fetishist you must surely have a close emotional relationship with the concept, and thus that porn including rape would seldom resemble that which the fetishise - just as consensual sex generally does not resemble true rape.
I guess if I were to qualify I would support a bill banning professional productions of simulated penetrative rape scenes in pornographic movies. Sure, that's a highly limited definition and easy to get around. But I still think it would harm nought and to me make it slightly more difficult to tip toe toward justification of enjoying rape (as the perpetrator)
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