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The Great Porn Debate
torontoguy2k8:
Firefox and spell check are my friends.
And yeah I am a submissive. Strangely enough I was completely unaware of this until I got with my current girlfriend and boy did she turn my world upside down!
Damn I love that girl :P
Anyway, as for desensitizing, I do believe it to be a small issue, but at the same time, a little common sense, when used properly, can do a person a whole lot of good and save them from many a horrible situation.
For example, just because I played EVERY Grand Theft Auto game out there dozens of times (and have become quite numb to violence in general) does not mean I am going to go out, throw some old lady out of her car, drive like a madman and kill hundreds of people. That's just DUMB
So, if I see some guys raping a girl in a porno, I wouldn't even consider going out and raping some chick (My submissiveness set aside here) it's just common sense to realize that something is FANTASY or FAKE. It might not bother me as much as the first time I ever saw it, but I was raised to know the difference between reality and fantasy, no matter what the medium.
So, I do believe people can become desensitized to things yeah, but it all boils down to the decisions we make as individuals based on our own perspective of common sense. And if it's a really fucked up perspective, there are only 3 people in the world that can ultimately be blamed. Mom, Dad, and yourself.
If any of that made sense I am glad. It's 7am and I stayed up all night listening to Chrome with my girlfriend. pretty awesome stuff, but I swear I feel like a zombie >_<
Oli:
I blame GTA IV, personally.
a pack of wolves:
--- Quote from: torontoguy2k8 on 08 May 2008, 04:08 ---So, I do believe people can become desensitized to things yeah, but it all boils down to the decisions we make as individuals based on our own perspective of common sense. And if it's a really fucked up perspective, there are only 3 people in the world that can ultimately be blamed. Mom, Dad, and yourself.
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By and large I agree with what you say, that the important thing is not to censor but to create attitudes within people that mean no potential ill effects could arise from something like rape in pornography. However, I do have a problem with this part. By saying that the only people that blame can be attached to are the parents and the individual you admit the influence of outside influences on the formation of a person in the form of the parents, but you dismiss any others. This doesn't make much sense to me. Your parents might be around a lot but you're constantly within society unless you live a peculiarly sheltered life (which is not a healthy thing). So why can't the attitudes presented and reinforced by that society be a major influence?
torontoguy2k8:
--- Quote from: a pack of wolves on 08 May 2008, 09:26 ---By saying that the only people that blame can be attached to are the parents and the individual you admit the influence of outside influences on the formation of a person in the form of the parents, but you dismiss any others. Why can't the attitudes presented and reinforced by that society be a major influence?
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Well outside influences can have an impact on a person yes, but while you are growing up, it's the responsibility of the parent's for the most part to put these various outside influences into a perspective that makes sense. But with society in general, that can be a daunting task for most parents and quite a few end up giving up on trying to make sense of the world and leave it up to the child's own judgment. Thus when a parent stops trying to put a younger person's worldly experiences into a more understandable perspective, outside influences will start to have a MUCH larger impact on that person. So I still stick to my beliefs that parents are ultimately responsible for how a person, especially in earlier stages of life, develops his or her attitude towards things. The biggest example I can use from my own life is how my father would ALWAYS impress upon me that no matter WHAT the situation, it is NEVER right to hit a woman. I would see it in movies, music videos, and rarely in real life. Had my father NOT drilled that firm belief into my brain, I very well could have considered hitting women to be an appropriate thing to do in several situations. I was taught what is right and what isn't by my parents. MANY times there were situations I thought one way about that were put into a proper context by them, so that I would PROPERLY understand why I should or should not do or like certain things.
So while the outside world can provide a heavy influence on a person, as long as your parents help you develop a proper set of morals that you maintain, you should be able to avoid even considering that something like rape is socially accepted.
--- Quote from: Anyways on 08 May 2008, 09:07 ---I don't think it's so much about direct simulation as a subtle change of thought over time. Your mindset can change dramatically after changing your input from the rest of the world (see: people turn into fucking idiots by watching Fox News all day), and I think watching a lot of rape porn ultimately ends up changing the viewpoint on how the woman experiences rape
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Now this I don't really agree with.
I have watched ALOT of rape porn. ever since I discovered that this was a fetish for me, I have become more interested in the way porn does it. Most of it is pretty garbage and if you pay attention to what you're watching, you can see the small, subtle signs of the female actor being in complete control of the situation. (This goes for most porn in general. Do yourselves a favor, next vid you watch, watch her eyes and hands very carefully. There are very small usually unnoticed signs the girl will give to the male actor to inform him of what she is or is not comfortable with) But I digress, I have watched plenty of rape porn. so under this string of logic, I should be thinking to myself that all women are sluts and that every woman I will ever encounter will secretly enjoy being raped. This is however the farthest thing from the truth you could get. I totally understand that each and every scenario in porn is very fake and scripted, and that in the REAL world, rape is NEVER[/b] acceptable and that the woman will NOT enjoy it. If someone was willing to do some research and NOT blindly follow his cock, he would see that a PROPER rape scenario between two people that DOESN'T land you in jail is premeditated and discussed previously by BOTH people. Any idiot out there that justifies rape as being ok simply because he saw it in porn a bunch of times and eventually assumed it was an acceptable practice is a simple minded fucking moron. Men that say "Oh all women are sluts and are always asking to be raped by dressing skanky" are simply fishing for an excuse to have their actions justified because they were too fucking stupid to tell the simple difference between fantasy and reality.
Anyway, I apologize for the more abrasive tone to my argument near the end, I just have a problem with men who justify any sort of abuse towards a woman as acceptable or right. It just sickens me.
--- Quote from: Oli on 08 May 2008, 04:36 ---I blame GTA IV, personally.
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I wouldn't know. My PS3 died on the day of release. Had the damn game pre-ordered too >_<
a pack of wolves:
The problem is that you can't possibly talk to your child about everything. There's just too much in the world and too little time in the day. You can guide them and try to be a good influence but you can't be the only influence unless you try to withdraw your child from society, and things beyond your control can prevent you even being the primary influence in how your child sees the world. Also, you have the problem that the parent is in society and is being shaped by it, and as soon as your child leaves your home you can't exert as much influence as you once did. I'm not saying that parents don't have a responsibility to try and raise their kids with good values, but they're not doing it in a vacuum. They and their children are constantly influenced in one way or another by the wider society, and I think that's a far more powerful influence on behaviour than any single individual can be.
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