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The Great Porn Debate
20 jazz funk greats:
--- Quote from: BrittanyMarie on 22 Apr 2008, 21:29 ---I think the point was more that the girls in the videos (or girls in mainstream porn in general, I guess) from those places are NEVER in control.
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well, in a sense they ARE, seeing as how they made the choice to star in porn (yes, it's a choice, there are always other career options available), and i don't think they're too sheltered and clueless to know what they're getting into.
Fenriswolf:
--- Quote from: tommydski on 23 Apr 2008, 01:46 ---
--- Quote from: RedLion on 22 Apr 2008, 19:11 ---Sexual promiscuity has gotten a bit out of hand in some ways, though, and it's been reflected in the degree to which porn has become outright violent towards women.
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How do you link sexual promiscuity and violence towards women?
Genuinely intrigued.
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Obviously I can't answer for them but it's a connection lots of people make. Personally, I think it's the other way around - the more taboo sex is in general, the more the lines between acceptable and not are blurred. I think the "sex is dirty" idea is closely linked to stereotypical gender roles which tend to reinforce the idea that women don't like sex except as a way to express love, so men are always wanting more, and hence to the idea that men have to "trick" sex out of women which in turn blurs the whole concept of consent.
I find the idea that women-like-x and men-like-x totally laughable. I think mainstream ideas about sex are so penile-centric that sex becomes something entirely defined by penetration (obviously in the biological sense this follows) and hence really not that great for a lot of women. But I've met men and women of hugely varying libidos and sexual tastes, and frankly my partner and I are polar opposites to the gender stereotypes - he's naturally very monogamous, primarily enjoys sex as a loving act, I pretty much cannot have sex as an act of love and while I don't think that's healthy I don't think my difficulty with monogamy is unusual. I just can't see that monogamy is natural for either sex.
As to porn, I like the idea, but frankly I just can't watch it any more. I can't watch it without seeing how bored both people are, how rote their actions are, how completely the women is an object in a product aimed at men. Even worse, you can't look for straight porn without being barraged with descriptions of "bitches" being "tricked into sex" (sorry sweatheart but if that's true it's called rape; hate to burst your bubble). I like hardcore, and I like S&M. I do not like sexual passiveness in women and borderline abusiveness being sold as the norm to people learning about their sexuality.
öde:
Good post!
I only look at indie porn.
Fenriswolf:
--- Quote from: tommydski on 23 Apr 2008, 03:43 ---
--- Quote from: Fenriswolf on 23 Apr 2008, 03:22 ---I just can't see that monogamy is natural for either sex.
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I would put forward that this is because you are a sensible, thoughtful human being.
That's just me though.
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Or perhaps a cynical, overly analytical person? Yours sounds better :lol:
blanktom:
man it is finally good to see a newbie with decent shit to say.
as for the porn debate, i haven't really been reading so this is just me batting my thoughts out, but it seems there is a slowly growing number of female directors who are managing to make tasteful pornography where the woman isn't some slut from the street and the whole thing isnt just 'I'M GOING TO BANG THIS HOT CHICK NAO HAGAHAGH'
and i have to say, its a lot closer to realism. i know i prefer that over most of the other crap this short-sighted industry pumps out nowadays.
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