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The Great Porn Debate
Tom:
Points to you.
Why Fenriswolf, Fenris was a wolf or have you just translated the latter half of Fenrisulfr. It all seems rather tautological.
Fenriswolf:
Well well, I just can't think of a clever reply to that. My how I wish I were clever with words - but rather I get on extremely well with people who are and they make the mistake of thinking I am. The horror
My alternative name when Fenriswolf is taken is Hrovitnir, a word I can't even pronounce and is actually spelt Hróðvitnir
jhocking:
--- Quote from: BrittanyMarie on 22 Apr 2008, 21:29 ---I think the point was more that the girls in the videos (or girls in mainstream porn in general, I guess) from those places are NEVER in control.
--- End quote ---
hm, but what of all the porn companies run by women? Do you think those are okay then?
tania:
the unfortunate thing about pornography is that it's also an area where it's really hard to draw the line between what's degrading and what isn't. an amateur video featuring a girl being gang banged and clearly not enjoying it isn't hard to identify, but what about girls who really legitimately enjoy being in videos and being submissive and make a very decent living off of it? mostly i am trying to play the devil's advocate here but really what a lot of people seem to miss is that telling a women she can't be in pornography because it's degrading is really just as sexist as telling her she's nothing but an object for guys to put their dicks in, because both scenarios still ignore the fact that women are actually smart enough to make their own decisions. kind of like what brittany said i guess, is something really degrading if you understand what's going on and are comfortable and in control of the situation? probably not.
RedLion:
I wasn't arguing that sexual promiscuity in itself breeds violence towards women. In fact, I'm all in favor of being open, realistic and not uptight about sexuality. Oftentimes, it's the people who are raised in households and go to schools that refuse to tell kids the truth who grow up to be the most "deviant" in terms of sexual habits. I firmly believe that to stifle the sexual desires of a person and label them as bad, wrong or evil is one of the most mentally damaging things that a parent can do. It often wounds the very core of a person for the entirety of their life, unless they get therapy for it.
It's more the idea that "anything goes" in terms of sexual practices. I mean, if a person has a kink or a fetish, they should indulge it in, safely and with people who share it or at least are willing to tolerate it in their parter. But to a significant number of younger people, "normal" sex in porn isn't enough anymore, they view it as bordering on boring. There's this constant push towards the outer fringes of sexual habits, towards the ever-more-extreme, and I think that's why we're seeing such a massive growth in gagging/choking/torture/rape porn.
So, generally speaking, there needs to be some kind of moderation. To try to shun or condemn sexuality isn't just futile, it's not ethical. But to go on the completely opposite end and say that, sexually, anyone can do anything they want without consequence--and that a significant number of women would enjoy being forced to gag until they puke--isn't, either.
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