Topic: So I was arguing with Patrick just a few minutes ago (Read 57317 times)

Johnny C · « **Reply #150 on:** 30 Apr 2008, 23:30 »

Don't be silly, robots don't have emotion. They have tricked you into being in touch with your feelings so that you will be weak when they invade. It is inevitable. Nothing can stop them.

Caspian · « **Reply #151 on:** 01 May 2008, 01:59 »

Quote from: RedLion on 30 Apr 2008, 22:00

Just don't play tri-tones in a Dark Ages cathedral. They wouldn't even bother to tie you to a stake before setting you on fire. Tritones were known as "wolf notes" or the "interval of the devil" until the last 2 centuries or so. No joke.

Worth noting, though, that based on the old styles of tuning (just intonation or whatever it was called) playing notes that weren't in the key you were playing in sounded terrible. The tritones of the medieval were a lot more dissonant then the tritones of today.

Also: While they may still have been called the interval of the devil etc. 200 years ago, generally people stopped getting burned for it at least 400 years ago

Patrick · « **Reply #152 on:** 01 May 2008, 05:01 »

So THAT'S why the church hates rock music.

MadassAlex · « **Reply #153 on:** 01 May 2008, 05:11 »

It was totally not because early rockers were nailing all the church-goers' daughters.

doombilly · « **Reply #154 on:** 01 May 2008, 05:59 »

Quote from: Patrick on 01 May 2008, 05:01

So THAT'S why the church hates rock music.

Also Polyphonic music was banned. Only Homophonic music was permitted. Which explains a lot about priests.

AnonymousNoob · « **Reply #155 on:** 01 May 2008, 07:13 »

I've just realized that this thread is utterly brilliant.

Whether intentionally or not, Alex has created a thread in which he is in fact, shredding thread.

Exhibiting mad technique and intellectual edge.

Patrick · « **Reply #156 on:** 01 May 2008, 07:35 »

Michael Angelo Batio should be lit on fire.

KickThatBathProf · « **Reply #157 on:** 01 May 2008, 08:12 »

Quote from: Caspian on 01 May 2008, 01:59

Also: While they may still have been called the interval of the devil etc. 200 years ago, generally people stopped getting burned for it at least 400 years ago

People generally never got burned for it. That's just a myth. Though you are correct about which point in history when people started using it again (the Baroque period)

rynne · « **Reply #158 on:** 01 May 2008, 08:13 »

Quote from: Patrick on 01 May 2008, 07:35

Michael Angelo Batio should be lit on fire.

Ambidextrously!

Patrick · « **Reply #159 on:** 01 May 2008, 08:18 »

I can pour with the right hand, can flick my lighter with the left.

squishything · « **Reply #160 on:** 01 May 2008, 10:00 »

Hey there, thread's so juicy I had to join in.

Um, shedding sucks!

Yaaaaay!

Seriously though, I'm kind of concerned about this whole "accessible" debate that was going on a few posts ago. I don't happen to think that shredding is particularly inaccessible myself. Just 'cause most of it sounds horrible (to me) doesn't mean it's difficult to grasp. Dude's just playing fast. So what?

I think a big part of the stigma (and it's inevitable defensiveness) associated with shredding has to do with the socioeconomic background of it's fanbase *cough* mullets *cough*. For example, while free jazz is arguably just as wanky as shredding metal, it enjoys a lot more artistic legitimacy, precisely because of it's yuppie fanbase.

Oh yeah, to re-insert the racist overtones that originated this argument, I'll just say this:

Ever notice that the further you get away from African culture, the crappier the music? The exception of course is contemporary Rap, but thats just because the Jews are running it now.

Heeheehee

RedLion · « **Reply #161 on:** 01 May 2008, 10:18 »

HUW DID U NO I HAD A MULLLIT?!

squishything · « **Reply #162 on:** 01 May 2008, 10:32 »

Just sayin', alot of the guys who rocked out to this stuff in the eighties were all about the business up front and party at the back, and that is probably a factor in... in... stuff?

Patrick · « **Reply #163 on:** 01 May 2008, 10:35 »

Quote from: squishything on 01 May 2008, 10:00

The exception of course is contemporary Rap

Go listen to Brother Ali and Nas, then we can talk.

squishything · « **Reply #164 on:** 01 May 2008, 10:45 »

Hey, no disrespect to good rap of course, but you gotta admit, most hip hop nowadays just perpetuates stereotypes, and ironically enough, uses the descendant of slaves to glorify products made in sweatshops.

Patrick · « **Reply #165 on:** 01 May 2008, 10:47 »

Okay big guns time: Outkast and fucking Ludacris.

rynne · « **Reply #166 on:** 01 May 2008, 10:53 »

Quote from: squishything on 01 May 2008, 10:00

For example, while free jazz is arguably just as wanky as shredding metal, it enjoys a lot more artistic legitimacy, precisely because of it's yuppie fanbase.

Ah, but John Zorn knows that free jazz + shred = genius.

squishything · « **Reply #167 on:** 01 May 2008, 10:58 »

Outcast kicks major ass. As does Ludacris. No argument there.

doombilly · « **Reply #168 on:** 02 May 2008, 07:24 »

Quote from: rynne on 01 May 2008, 10:53

Quote from: squishything on 01 May 2008, 10:00
For example, while free jazz is arguably just as wanky as shredding metal, it enjoys a lot more artistic legitimacy, precisely because of it's yuppie fanbase.

Ah, but John Zorn knows that free jazz + shred = genius.

Meh. THEORETICAL GIRLS v Shredz
discuss! (or disgust)

MadassAlex · « **Reply #169 on:** 03 May 2008, 22:00 »

Quote from: AnonymousNoob on 01 May 2008, 07:13

That totally made my day, kiss me.

Thrillho · « **Reply #170 on:** 04 May 2008, 07:51 »

Quote from: rynne on 01 May 2008, 08:13

Quote from: Patrick on 01 May 2008, 07:35
Michael Angelo Batio should be lit on fire.

Ambidextrously!

Those two posts together read like Twisp and Catsby dialogue.

Patrick · « **Reply #171 on:** 04 May 2008, 10:36 »

Which one am I?

Thrillho · « **Reply #172 on:** 05 May 2008, 04:26 »

Catsby.

Patrick · « **Reply #173 on:** 06 May 2008, 04:18 »

You suck, Gaz.

Thrillho · « **Reply #174 on:** 06 May 2008, 11:03 »

Why? You wanted to be Twisp?

Patrick · « **Reply #175 on:** 06 May 2008, 11:36 »

At least in their debut appearance, Twisp didn't seem like a COMPLETE fucktard. "How much does that weigh?" is a lot more reasonable than the response "HAM!"

Thrillho · « **Reply #176 on:** 06 May 2008, 12:23 »

Actually, as far as I know, Catsby ISN'T the Cat.

Checkmate.

Patrick · « **Reply #177 on:** 06 May 2008, 12:44 »

Man that is fucking confusing.

rynne · « **Reply #178 on:** 06 May 2008, 13:08 »

I will pipe in here to say that I am totally fine deferring to Patrick's choice of who is who here.

Noff · « **Reply #179 on:** 07 May 2008, 08:31 »

Quote from: DynamiteKid on 06 May 2008, 12:23

Actually, as far as I know, Catsby ISN'T the Cat.

Checkmate.

I totally think Twisp is talking to himself in that panel. Considering how weird those comics are, it doesn't seem out of character.

Noff · « **Reply #180 on:** 07 May 2008, 08:33 »

The wikipedia page disagrees with me though. Bah.

Thrillho · « **Reply #181 on:** 07 May 2008, 10:04 »

I R WIN.

KTHXBISEXUAL

Patrick · « **Reply #182 on:** 07 May 2008, 11:49 »

Shred sucks.

MadassAlex · « **Reply #183 on:** 08 May 2008, 02:27 »

Fuck you.

Patrick · « **Reply #184 on:** 08 May 2008, 05:40 »

You know I would

MadassAlex · « **Reply #185 on:** 09 May 2008, 03:28 »

Quote from: Patrick on 08 May 2008, 05:40

You know I would

Man if you're gonna spend so much time wanking maybe at least learn anything by Jimmy Page like ever

Patrick · « **Reply #186 on:** 09 May 2008, 14:59 »

Man I have already learned an asston of Zeppelin and I played "White Summer/Black Mountain Side" at my gig on Sunday.

Thrillho · « **Reply #187 on:** 09 May 2008, 15:33 »

Quote from: MadassAlex on 09 May 2008, 03:28

Quote from: Patrick on 08 May 2008, 05:40
You know I would

Man if you're gonna spend so much time wanking maybe at least learn anything by Jimmy Page like ever

I just realised that all I can play by Zep is the riff from Whole Lotta Love. Badly. And a bit of Stairway, even worse. And I think they were just by accident, 'finding' them rather than deliberate learningness.

MadassAlex · « **Reply #188 on:** 10 May 2008, 23:11 »

Heartbreaker wins the award for sexiest Zep riff. The solo is pretty neat, too, I guess, but I feel that there's a lot of notes that don't need to be there, y'know. Like maybe just like three phrases could have done the work of that whole pull-off mess.

ledhendrix · « **Reply #189 on:** 11 May 2008, 12:49 »

Your telling Jimmy Page how he should have played. Poor show man.

Heartbreaker is an excellent riff, i can't remember how the solo goes though. For guitar playing Zeppelin is pretty much the best thing.

Thrillho · « **Reply #190 on:** 12 May 2008, 05:20 »

Unless you don't give a shit about solos or 'rawk!!!!'.

Patrick · « **Reply #191 on:** 12 May 2008, 05:39 »

FACT:

Stephen Malkmus is the Best Guitarist.

Mr. Mojo · « **Reply #192 on:** 12 May 2008, 15:10 »

I wish Jeff Beck was here.
Everyone who plays shred sucks his cock and say he is an influence to them.
When in reality Jeff Beck hates shred more or less calling it "Emotionless Bullshit"

RedLion · « **Reply #193 on:** 12 May 2008, 16:33 »

Quote from: DynamiteKid on 12 May 2008, 05:20

Unless you don't give a shit about solos or 'rawk!!!!'.

Page has/had a penchant for writing catchy, infectious hooks and riffs. That was his main strength, and it's one of the most important things in almost any genre of music, so no, Led Zep isn't just for those who like solos and 'rawk.'

Thrillho · « **Reply #194 on:** 13 May 2008, 05:16 »

Zep had some classic songs, yeah, and Pagey could write classic hooks and was far more than just solos and rock, of course. But I always preferred them when they were understated, which as you've said, Page could do as well, but they didn't do it very often; at least, not enough for my tastes. Stuff like 'No Quarter,' which while long and meandering is a pretty restrained track. I was simply disagreeing with the idea that Zep are the best thing as far as guitar playing.

Patrick · « **Reply #195 on:** 13 May 2008, 06:41 »

Quote from: Patrick on 12 May 2008, 05:39

FACT:

Stephen Malkmus is the Best Guitarist.

MadassAlex · « **Reply #196 on:** 18 May 2008, 02:14 »

Quote from: ledhendrix on 11 May 2008, 12:49

Your telling Jimmy Page how he should have played. Poor show man.

It's not like he's some kind of infallible super-guitarist or anything.

David_Dovey · « **Reply #197 on:** 18 May 2008, 08:03 »

FACT: No one cares, Patrick.

Spluff · « **Reply #198 on:** 21 May 2008, 02:53 »

Quote from: Mr. Mojo on 12 May 2008, 15:10

I wish Jeff Beck was here.
Everyone who plays shred sucks his cock and say he is an influence to them.
When in reality Jeff Beck hates shred more or less calling it "Emotionless Bullshit"

Hey, you're a douchebag. Please try to remedy this problem in future posts.

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AnonymousNoob

Mr. Mojo