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Cliché for the Day: Marvel vs. DC

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spidergland:

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My dad used to have an old annual (1985 I think) that my brother and I always used to read, even before we really "got" it.  It introduced me to all the great writers/artists and it contains one of my favourite comic stories ever.  Its a short ABC Warriors title, Red Planet Blues, written by Alan Moore, drawn by Steve Dillon. Hunt it down!!

Halo Jones man, don't you think its been a bit too long?  I'm gladly all for it if it is Moore/Gibson, but I really can't see him making up with any publishers.

SailorPunk:
i was raised a Marvel girl. my dad wouldn't even really allow DC in the house (and i got all my dad's old comics when my brother started reading robin - lol! so i own a box of marvel comics from the late 60s)

but recently a very good friend of mine asked me to babysit his comics while he's away for the summer (so his mom doesn't throw them out). they are mostly DC.

i'm really enjoying them. I'm working on "identity crisis" right now and it is amazing. heartbreaking and amazing.

i think i wll always be a marvel girl though.

manu:
Marvel has Kick Ass, hence Marvel > DC



wait today is Thursday? doesn't matter try this book =]

laizeohbeets:
DC, because DC has Vertigo. Between Batman, Watchmen, Fables, Jack of Fables, and Sandman, I pledge my allegiance to DC. Sure, I'm probably going to be pissed by Batman: RIP, but I f'ing love a lot of the other storylines.

And man, I f'ing LOVE Fables.

Also, I think Marvel's characters are so gimmicky. I liked Spidey back with the old 90s cartoon (yeah, I still think Batman: The Animated Series is waaay better), but once I got a little older, I didn't really like him. I think I blame Tobey Maguire, because he is not my Spidey. X-Men is kind of cool, but that's about it.

As for DC being more fit for those interested in a utopia? Seriously, Gotham? A utopia? Gotham is about as noir as it gets without being Sin City. I'm probably biased because I totally love the Batvillains, but wow, yeah. Any place run by Carmine Falcone is not a utopia.

0bsessions:
Gotham is the exception that makes the rule. DC really is more a universe suited for optimists and people who want to view their heroes as paragons of justice and their villains as evil to the core, with no redeeming qualities EXCEPT in Gotham. Everything that is Batman related in DC generally screams Marvel's overall style and seems to completely juxtapose and contradict the rest of the DC Universe.

Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan, at least), etc... Pretty much all the big name DC heroes, other than Batman, are heroic archetype with really no character flaws. Every time someone tries to shoe horn one in (Wonder Woman snapping someone's neck on live TV, Hal Jordan going batshit and killing the entire GL Corps) results in huge fan outcry and eventual retcon. And you very rarely ever delve beyond the mask with DC titles. Everyone is a superhero first with a secret identity.

There are exceptions, but they almost always wind up in failure as I mentioned. The JLA "superbuddies" incarnation was fun and very flawed, but they've killed off almost all of them now. Hal Jordan's descent to madness was well played, but fans got so pissy about their hero being ruined, they eventually retconned it to mind control and shoved the more human and flawed Kyle Rayner off to a supporting role in another book.

Meanwhile, the absolute closest thing to a true well known "role model" archetype Marvel has is the Steve Rogers Captain America, who's dead no anyway.

Brunce Banner is a callow putz with split personalities, Peter Parker is a socially awkward nerd who makes a lot of stupid decisions, Tony Stark is an alcoholic, Punisher is absolutely batshit, Ant Man was an abusive husband. The new Captain America was an assassin for a long while. Meanwhile, many villains have many sympathetic qualities:

Magneto grew up in Auschwitz and fights for mutant superiority because he's scared shitless the same thing will happen to mutants. Dr. Doom is a megalomaniac who wants to rule the world because he legitimately believes the world would be better off that way (And if you look at Latveria, the kingdom he rules, they ARE happy). The Green Goblin was always a bit of a shrewd bastard, but his achilles heal (In the classic comics) was always his genuine caring for his son (The new Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon is the first cartoon to ever really get this right).

DC Heroes always save the day, I feel it takes some of the drama out of it. Marvel characters fuck up sometimes, though. Spider-Man's still haunted by being unable to save his first love's life. The X-Men had to kill one of their own teammates (And their field leader's fiance) to save the universe.

Neither universe is technically better, they're just very different in their general aim. DC is primarily a universe tailor made for people who want to read about gods amongst men who represent black and white ideals. Marvel's more one big gray area with more realistic and modern ideals.

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