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The Dark Knight (SPOILERS START ON PAGE 3)
Dissy:
--- Quote from: zerodrone on 09 Aug 2008, 18:40 ---One of my friends insists that the Penguin is definitely in heavy consideration for the next one, and that he will be brought in as an international arms dealer.
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Has no one read the interview with Nolan saying he would never, ever use the penguin? He called him a "too-far fetched character."
knives:
--- Quote from: Surgoshan on 09 Aug 2008, 22:33 ---For the most part, the Joker has been done very, very poorly. Hell, for most of his existence his purpose was to embarrass people. That's all. And his "crimes" were called "boners". The version from the TV show was closest to his original incarnation -- a purple-suited ass. The vile foil who truly challenges the Batman is a creation of the 80s, I believe.
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While I agree he's been mostly done poorly He started off real similar to the dark knight version. For a good example look at the laughing fish episode from the old teevee show. It's based on one of the earlier comics.
JediBendu:
--- Quote from: Surgoshan on 09 Aug 2008, 22:33 ---For the most part, the Joker has been done very, very poorly. Hell, for most of his existence his purpose was to embarrass people. That's all. And his "crimes" were called "boners". The version from the TV show was closest to his original incarnation -- a purple-suited ass. The vile foil who truly challenges the Batman is a creation of the 80s, I believe.
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The Joker was really only very light in the 50s and 60s, when all of Batman was pretty light anyway.
In the first appearances of The Joker he was pretty dark and ominous. The debut Joker story back in like 1940 or some shit was Batman trying to stop The Joker from murdering prominent Gotham citizens.
Around the same time that Batman got really campy and the Bat-family included Ace the Bathound and the Batmite was when Joker was essentially just a criminal prankster.
So ya, no, the TV version is absolutely nothing like the "original incarnation" but just like the version from the comics at the time. Basically like everything on that TV show was just like Batman comics had been for a while.
You could kind of make a case for the fact that The Joker hasn't always been the foil to Batman, that has been explored more in the past few decades than ever before, but that's just a result of his prominence and longevity as a Batman villain, and not really a result of some fresh and "new" tone from the 80s that's actually about 60 years old.
Jimmy the Squid:
I think the Joker's longevity as a villain comes down to the fact that as a dude who is totally without superpowers he still manages to convey a certain level of creepiness. Even if he's just creating criminal pranks the fact that there is an evil clown running around the city pretty much doing whatever he wants is kind of a freaky thought. Even when he was campy he was incredibly threatening if you read him from the perspective of what he is capable of actually doing.
JediBendu:
Exactly. The Joker is such a great villain because he could do anything at anytime and for any reason.
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