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The Dark Knight (SPOILERS START ON PAGE 3)
KvP:
*blah, long post is long
General antipathy for Todd McFarlane and his Character With Many Slightly Varying Faces (Venom, Carnage, Spawn, I guess you could throw Necrid in there if you wanted to, there's probably more) I would imagine. Venom and Carnage appealed to me when I was 8 because they looked cool, Carnage especially, and Venom was an "anti-hero" who could kill people and that was cool I guess, but nothing about them sang "great character" to me. They haven't aged well.
0bsessions:
McFarlane actually had shit all to do with Carnage and very little to do with the creation of Venom. The former was created by David Michelinie and designed by Mark Bagley, Venom was created, overall, by Michelinie and was merely aesthetically designed by McFarlane (And even that was a pretty worthless contribution, he was basically just taking a prior design and following Michelinie's direction of making him big and then he added teeth and a long tongue). The only reason Venom ever took off was because he was associated with McFarlane, who was very hot at the time, and the only reason Carnage took off was because of his relation to Venom.
And, as you note John, the anti-hero thing played a big part. Teens ate up the anti-hero angle because it seemed tough. The popularity of Wolverine led to this trend and Venom was one of the bigger examples of what was wrong with it. It resulted in a ton of overall lame characters who became oversaturated because teens ate up the "hero who kills" mentality. Venom had the fortune of being one of the early adopters to this bandwagon. If he'd debuted maybe two years later than he did, he would've sunk into obscurity with the rest of the failed attempts to capitalize on the fad.
Johnny C:
I wasn't saying I didn't think that Carnage, Venom or their shitspawn weren't atrocious villains, so that remark wasn't directed squarely at you. It's just that Bane was shitty from the beginning.
Pictures can sum up how I feel better than words can though.
Johnny C:
Seriously if a picture says a thousand words that one just says X-TREME a thousand times.
RobbieOC:
But man, look at those neck muscles! He's so awesome!
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