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The Dark Knight (SPOILERS START ON PAGE 3)
johnny5:
--- Quote from: Scandanavian War Machine on 09 Jul 2008, 14:12 ---must...not....watch....clip....
EDIT: okay, so i'm at work and i just went out for a smoke break and found that someone had taken a Joker from a deck of cards and placed it under my windshield wiper. really weird because i can see my car from my desk and no one has been by, not even in a car. it's been completely dead here. i guess there's a chance it's been there for a while and i just didn't notice it but i kind of doubt it.
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Y SO SRYS
i'm going to try and avoid like hell that little leak. i'm already starting to think about what batman tres might hold in store (is it too lame to use Hush as a basic storyline? would you rather they write a new one from scratch?)(this is all based on if two-face gets wrapped up in this movie or not)
edit again : clayface as the villian would be so dope, if they could make it look realistic enough...too much CGI would ruin a Batman movie, imo
0bsessions:
Clayface wouldn't likely happen. Nolan has made it explicitly clear that he is not a fan of CG. Clayface, while awesome in the cartoon, was also always a villain who kind of pulled Batman out of the reality of it. Nolan's made mention that his favorite thing about Batman is that he's pretty grounded in reality. I figure they'll be avoiding the superpowered villains like Clayface, Man-Bat and the like.
Hush would be workable, but I doubt we'll see that one in action. It was a pretty complicated storyline and it really wasn't all that good to begin with.
If they do a third movie, I'd expect someone more along the lines of maybe Catwoman, the Riddler or maybe even the Mad Hatter. Even Bane would be a possibility (And an interesting one, at that). Judging by the dark tone of the series and the more realistic portrayals, I think Mad Hatter can be effectively written off, as he's rather goofy. Riddler's a possibility, as he's easier to write with less camp. I expect we'll see a Frank Miller style Catwoman in the third installment (A prostitute who gets a kick out of Batman and decides to resort to theft).
Unfortunately, as good as Nolan's been, his style and vision is pretty limiting when it comes to Batman's rogues gallery. If he continues to refuse to stray from his mafioso, grim and gritty M.O., then he's going to run out of possibilities really quick unless he majorly reworks some villains. Let's run through the Batman rogues:
Scarecrow, Ra's, Joker and Two Face will have been covered by the end of this one.
Poison Ivy, outside of her plant schtick, would be effectively pointless. The only other role she serves is as a seductress, which Catwoman covers better. Not likely.
Bane is VERY easily reworkable to suit Nolan's purposes. Let's ignore the Bane that showed up in Batman & Robin, shall we? They fucked him up but good. The real Bane was one of the smartest and most intimidating villains Batman ever faced. He organized a massive breakout of Arkham in order to wear Batman down. Once Bats was at the end of his rope, Bane broke into Wayne Manor, beat the piss out of Alfred then savagely beat Batman and broke his back. Sure, he was super strong, but run an angle of him just being a heavily trained mercenary with crime lord ambitions and you're golden. Very feasible.
Mr. Freeze, like Poison Ivy, doesn't really work outside his schtick. This is tragic, considering the BTAS Freeze was incredibly well done.
The Penguin is doable. Lose Burton's circus act crap and turn him into the affluent, high society criminal he was in the cartoon and comics and he writes himself. Get a relative unknown in there and he could be gold.
Clayface I've covered. Too much CGI, too unrealistic to suit Nolan's vision.
Killer Croc is a two dimensional bruiser. He'd be fun in a one off role of just being a nickname for a generic mob enforcer, but otherwise of no use.
Scarface is realistic and very intriguing, but I'd be concerned about the audience taking him seriously. If they got him just right, he could be perfect, but otherwise risky. If they set him up right at the beginning to do something particularly heinous, Scarface and the Ventriloquist could make for an excellent tragic story.
Riddler could be made to be more menacing, but it's an uphill battle. If they portrayed him as an obsessive compulsive, it could work out really well.
Most anyone else is either too obscure (Lady Shiva), too generic (Black Mask) or too similar to/derivative of another villain (Harley Quinn) to be workable.
Running through the list, Catwoman, Riddler, Scarface and Bane would be the best and most likely candidates with little tooling necessary.
johnny5:
you're totally right. nolan does take characters and tries his best to root them in reality. bane as a mercenary who's bulked up on juice could be played by roger clemons (jk). the most encouraging thing i've heard about TDK is that above all else, it's an excellent detective/crime drama, so i assume nolan will want to continue in that vein.
i threw clayface out there because the fact that he can change forms and thus would be/should be very hard for batman to track down and figure out who is actually who (let's lose the weakness to water, and have him impersonate jim gordon, rachael dawes...lucius fox...daaaaamn)
riddler would be good, without the green suit that reminds me of that guy from the infomercials. if his clues were a lot more savage and ruthless (maybe throw in a bit of a se7en feel in there, leaving clues with victims, etc) that might be the best option.
honestly catwoman as villian might be the worst option as far as the well known villians could go. she never really commited crimes horrible enough to command the title villian role in a movie.
Scandanavian War Machine:
--- Quote from: johnny5 on 10 Jul 2008, 09:15 ---riddler would be good, without the green suit that reminds me of that guy from the infomercials. if his clues were a lot more savage and ruthless (maybe throw in a bit of a se7en feel in there, leaving clues with victims, etc) that might be the best option.
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this, and Jon's Bane sound the best to me so far.
0bsessions:
Title role, no. Then again, she's NEVER been used that way. She's always been used as more of a foil for Batman. Someone to just kind of fuck his day up a little bit and be a bit of a pain in his ass. She'd definitely have to be a supporting character, but she excels in that role and would be easily done.
And I would absolutely love to see Bane, yeah. Just the effect of seeing the "Break you" scene would be bitchin'.
I stand by my belief that Scarface, if done right, would probably make for the most interesting story in a self contained flick.
Edit: You know what? I take it back. Scarface would work well as a supporting villain and a great subplot (Kind of like Sandman in Spider-Man, though he was about the ONLY redeeming factor there). He's simply not someone who would translate well to the teaser trailer lifestyle. I can't imagine anyone seeing him in a trailer and being all "Oh, fuck everything, I has got to see this shit!"
Bane, on the other hand, is tailor made for a trailer. Intercut the teaser with shots of the Arkham breakout and a Bane voiceover, detailing how he plans to wear down Wayne and then close it with a shot of Bane lifting a battered Batman over his head about to bring him down on his knee. Go black and end the trailer on "and then... I will break him." I guarantee you, you'd get a fucking standing O for that and people would start lining up for tickets right then and there.
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