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Recording and mixing
« on: 13 May 2008, 08:34 »

So I've been trying to get a home studio together and start pumping out some recordings. I've currently got a  BR 532, Tascam 1084 and Cool Edit Pro. Additionally, I've got a few cheap preamps and several mics. Basically, I was just wondering what gear you guys think is must-have in a home studio.
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #1 on: 13 May 2008, 08:52 »

How many tracks do you want to be able to record at once?  Get an audio interface for your computer.  Those all in one recording box things are kinda lame.  Using the computer gives you a lot of freedom with recording.   You can also have way more tracks with out bouncing.  The easy and ability to edit stuff once it is in the PC is awesome.

What kind of stuff are you going to be recording?  Full bands?  or Acoustic guitar and vocals?
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #2 on: 13 May 2008, 08:57 »

I've been thinking about getting a very basic setup for myself.

Ideally, I want a Shure SM58 Mic, run through a small preamp with two inputs for both mics and instruments, into my computer, and I'd probably acquire myself a "borrowed" version of Fruity Loops or something like that.
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #3 on: 13 May 2008, 09:08 »

I've got an audio interface:



It has eight tracks (expandable in-program up to 128 banks), motorized faders and doubles as a midi station. Has everything from phantom power to total DAW control.

I'm looking to record full bands. The one thing i generally have trouble with is recording drums.

you can hear a few songs I've recorded here: www.myspace.com/gunversusgun

Basically, every time I head to a Guitar Center or whatever, I see all the rackmount crap sitting in the recording booth and wonder if I really need anything like that for my setup.
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #4 on: 13 May 2008, 09:25 »

Depends how tight the drummer is, but do you need tips on how to do it, or do you just mean because you can't record four tracks at once?
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #5 on: 13 May 2008, 09:47 »

Since I'm running my control board, I can record up to eight tracks at once. I'm basically just looking for suggestions of equipment that would be exceedingly useful in a home studio or maybe some tips or tricks for getting it done in a house with little budget.
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #6 on: 13 May 2008, 10:41 »

Recording drums is obviously going to be tricky, but if you can get four mics at once, if you have one hanging ambiently above the kit (that being the one with the widest range), one for the bass drum, one for the snare and one for the hi-hat... that's your key components. Obviously things will bleed through, but it means you get the key elements down and have some reasonable range. Alternatively if you don't have enough mics, depending on how tight your drummer/drumming is you can record two or even one at a time.
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #7 on: 13 May 2008, 11:37 »

I usually use an actual drum mic kit. One mic for each drum. Then i run two condensers on the outer edges of the kit. These pick up all the cymbals. It also allows to do a serious panning job on the set and make it span the entire soundspace. Sound bleed is a pretty big problem with this setup, but it's nothing that can't be tweaked in software.
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #8 on: 16 May 2008, 08:20 »

What mics are you using?  Also, if you are looking to upgrade or get some nicer gear you could always get a nice one channel Pre Amp.  Use it for vocals, guitars and that sort of thing.  Or you could up grade your interface.  If you want a really nice interface with awesome pre amps look in to the stuff that RME puts out.  It is rad.

Anyway, things that you can upgrade in a home studio in the order that I think you should upgrade.

1 - Mics - You can have an awesome interface and sweet pre amp but if you have a shitty mic what you are recording is still going to sound like shit, but if you have a nice mic even through and OK interface and pre it will sound good.

2 - Interface - You can get an interface with some nice pre amps and good A/D converters

3 - Pre Amps - Some nice pre amps will make your vox and guitars sound warm and awesome. 
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #9 on: 16 May 2008, 17:23 »

A drum mic kit is excessive if you know what you're doing.

Take the front head off the kick, put a blanket it in there. Mic it close to inside.
Mic the top and bottom heads of the snare.
Mic the floor tom if you use it; if not, get a bidirectional (figure 8 pattern) mic and put it between your hi and low rack toms.
Then center your overheads. 5 or 6 channels is all you need for a decent drum mix.

To make it easier afterwards, mix your snares and bounce them to one track.
Then mix it with the others, and bounce it to two tracks if you like a stereo/surround sound. If not, go ahead and bounce it to one track. It won't hurt anything.
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #10 on: 03 Jun 2008, 10:18 »

I've got some Sure SM-57s and a Peavey Diamond SM-58. Also Have a couple MXL condensers. They're low-end, but still have a warm sound. I also have a decent Audio Buddy dual-channel preamp. I've spent the last few weeks experimenting with recording vocals with and without the preamp. So far, I have to say I prefer running it straight through the interface.

I've been thinking of getting some noise gates. Does anyone use them? I was thinking it could potentially take the hum out of distorted guitar tracks.

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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #11 on: 03 Jun 2008, 10:55 »

I've never needed a noise gate if I stand far enough away from screens and such like, have you managed to isolate the hum, at all?
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #12 on: 03 Jun 2008, 11:12 »

Guitars, mostly. My super overdrive pedal adds quite a bit of hiss and static to the line. My bass has a loose connection, also. Adds a touch of static.
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #13 on: 03 Jun 2008, 16:04 »

I would suggest to anyone interested in recording to get yourself a free subscripton to TAPE OP
find the page for that here:
http://www.tapeop.com/subscription/index.html

It is by far one of the best resources for recording arts, gear reviews, tips, ideas, networking and info
just a kick ass resource that is highly recommended-
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #14 on: 04 Jun 2008, 01:00 »

For mixing, i always find its helpful to find something that sounds similar to what you are trying to acheive, and stick that in an extra track. Mute it, but keep it there to listen to as a reference, because you need to remember your ears will adjust to compensate for too much bass/top end very quickly.
So having something remaining the same is always good.

Plus you can go through and listen "ok my cymbals dont have enough treble" or whatever.

I tend to use 4 tools when i'm mixing.
1. the most important. volume.
2. eq. i use a 7band that came with protools because its what i like.
3. reverb. i will often have a reverb send, just to try give everything the feel of being in the same room.
4. compressors/limiters these can work. but i tend to over use them, and then just remove them in the end.

always remember to go back and compare with the clean signal.

You can then chuck on anything else you like.

The last thing i do before hitting bounce, is to remove all those plugins you stuck on.



(on a side note, something a lot of people ignore is the low frequencies of a snare. boost the 150-250Hz region a bit.)

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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #15 on: 04 Jun 2008, 05:16 »

So, I was wondering if I can use a mixer as a preamp.  'Cause the store where I can buy a better mic, the appropriate cords and connectors only has mixers.

I'm kind of re-recording my album thing for my final project for music theory, because it's not much good when it's too short for Darryl's contest thing.
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #16 on: 04 Jun 2008, 07:09 »

I've seen several people use mixers as preamps. Personally, I've used a P.A. head as a preamp for the drums in my last band's recordings. It just depends on how clean you want your signal, I guess.
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Re: Recording and mixing
« Reply #17 on: 04 Jun 2008, 08:42 »

A preamp will give you a cleaner signal?  I was just wondering if a mixer would work, because that's all I can really get my hands on.

What I'm hoping to do is get a mic run that through a mixer and into my computer.
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