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Child Pornography or Art? Is there a line, if so where?
Orbert:
Pedophilia isn't just adults getting off checking out pictures of naked kids; it's adults having sex with kids. Kiddie porn, it can be argued, doesn't actually harm anyone.
I suppose that it is theoretically possible for pedophilia to occur without causing "harm" to either party, but then you have to come up with the appropriate definition for "harm" which allows it. And I haven't seen it yet.
StMonkey:
It's also a rather bad thing because pedophelia can never really be fully consensual. Sure, the kid may say yes, but in children, especially younger, they don't fully understand the ramifications of sex. They are too young to handle everything thats going to happen, and will just go with whatever the adult says to. In additin, it may skew their perception of sex and lead them to be a little to rampantly promiscuous. It won't hurt anyone right away (maybe), but it will set them up for risks of being much more irresponcible later.
pi:
--- Quote from: StMonkey on 28 May 2008, 10:17 ---It's also a rather bad thing because pedophelia can never really be fully consensual. Sure, the kid may say yes, but in children, especially younger, they don't fully understand the ramifications of sex.
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Like spontaneous combustion?
--- Quote from: StMonkey on 28 May 2008, 10:17 ---They are too young to handle everything thats going to happen
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Yes. Catching on fire can be disheartening.
--- Quote from: StMonkey on 28 May 2008, 10:17 ---and will just go with whatever the adult says to
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I have actually met kids that do not do everything they are told.
--- Quote from: StMonkey on 28 May 2008, 10:17 --- In additin, it may skew their perception of sex and lead them to be a little to rampantly promiscuous.
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1. we don't know that.
2. maybe that's not a bad thing?
--- Quote from: StMonkey on 28 May 2008, 10:17 ---It won't hurt anyone right away (maybe), but it will set them up for risks of being much more irresponcible later.
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speculation
edit: to clarify, I wasn't just being an asshole with the spontaneous combustion bit. My point was that if you're going to talk of terrible ramifications that emerge as a result of sex, you should probably say what they are, otherwise I don't know what you're talking about.
Johnny C:
--- Quote from: jhocking on 27 May 2008, 15:17 ---johnny c, where are you
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It was Louis Vuitton Don night, so I was doing everything that Kan' likes.
(read: spending three minutes just cheering for him while he stood on his vaguely absurd sci-fi set, basking in the applause)
--- Quote from: pi on 28 May 2008, 10:27 ---
--- Quote from: StMonkey on 28 May 2008, 10:17 ---It's also a rather bad thing because pedophelia can never really be fully consensual. Sure, the kid may say yes, but in children, especially younger, they don't fully understand the ramifications of sex.
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Like spontaneous combustion?
--- Quote from: StMonkey on 28 May 2008, 10:17 ---They are too young to handle everything thats going to happen
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Yes. Catching on fire can be disheartening.
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Kid, you know this is a logical fallacy, right? You're comparing two things that aren't really similar. Besides, I'd be willing to argue that spontaneous combustion is probably not a good thing, which means that you've inadvertently argued that paedophilia is tremendously dangerous simply by suggesting that the two are alike.
And it's not a matter of "it'll set the kids up to be sluts," it's a matter of the fact that children don't necessarily understand the consequences of certain actions - sex, for example, might result in pregnancy or AIDS, and those are just physical things.
KharBevNor:
Not if you do it in the arse.
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