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Child Pornography or Art? Is there a line, if so where?
öde:
If we get rid of children then child porn and paedophilia will be impossible.
Ozymandias:
--- Quote from: öde on 24 May 2008, 08:57 ---If we get rid of children then child porn and paedophilia will be impossible.
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This is the best idea.
I vote for Children of Men.
Cartilage Head:
Colosseum.
RedLion:
--- Quote from: Anyways on 23 May 2008, 23:52 ---
--- Quote from: RedLion on 23 May 2008, 21:38 ---To me, the rape, molestation or sexual exploitation of a child is the worst crime possible, moreso than murder, because that kid has been irrevocably damaged by it.
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I don't get this stance. You have on one hand irrevocably damaged, and on the other, irrevocably dead. I know which I'd prefer!
There was a massive discussion at this year's Nordic Light festival of photography about the photographs of Jock Sturges (wiki page), also regarding child pornography vs. art - and honestly, I can't really understand why people would feel any of neither his works not Bill Henson's are child pornography at all. They are naked children. Naked! Oh noes! Naked equals fucking! No, it doesn't. We live in an age where political correctness has gone completely bonkers, where publishing anything even remotely controversial spawns huge protests, while at the same time, we are pushing boundaries in terms of sexualized messages through a lot of mediums, but somehow that is accepted. Can anyone tell me exactly what is wrong with publishing non-erotic pictures of naked children?
People bring up the "repercussions" of having a nude photo of you taken and published when you are a child. Can someone tell me exactly what these repercussions are? I have never seen any of these works published with model names, so as far as I can see it is virtually impossible to track down any of the models. Noone gets hurt, right? They will never miss a job opportunity because the employer saw a photograph of them as a naked ten year old either, I would assume. So what exactly is the problem? Am I being terribly ignorant?
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Did you read the rest of my post, when I said that equating nudity with somehow being bad is in itself bad, and wounding to a person, and society as a whole?
As far as your response to one line of my post goes: then you have obviously never experienced it (neither have I), nor been close with people who have (I have.) To be honest, until you reach the core of these people, who have been molested, raped or taken advantage of as a child, and you see the irrevocable pain down there, that eats at them and paralyzes them day in and day out, that affects every facet of their life and interaction with other people... you don't really know what you're talking about in this situation. Believe it or not, I don't like being dramatic, and I tend to actually under-emphasize things. But this is the one case where a person would be better off dead.
muffy:
Red Lion: I agree with pretty much everything you've said in your posts - and I'm aware that the subject is getting onto tense ground here, but the last part of your post I disagree with. The trauma of something like that is immense, and it does permeate pretty much every waking thought and action, and it's quite probably the single most evil thing that can be done to another person. But, and I know you quantified it, I still don't think that a person who's suffered that would be better off dead - no matter how damaged the person is, their life is still valid, no matter what they've been through. While I still agree that the crime of child rape and molestation is worse than that of murder (speaking in a very general sense here), I quail at the idea that death is the better option. I'm slightly worried in case I've taken your point too far out of context and got caught up in semantics by relating it to experience, but I read the phrase 'better off dead' further up the thread from axerton in an earlier response, and while I can see where it's coming from, I will defend it.
Edit: Tommydski just said this in one sentence. Damn.
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