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Child Pornography or Art? Is there a line, if so where?
Ozymandias:
Russia is, historically, not a good example of anyone doing anything well ever.
KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: Elizzybeth on 25 May 2008, 14:07 --- I would agree that the design of a novelty coffee mug is art; I disagree that each mug is art, simply because they're mass-produced by machine.
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Now, this would actually be an interesting thing to have a discusssion about.
Personally, I would regard both the design and the process of manufacture to be art, and thus the product. The clincher is when you consider printmaking. Outside of monoprinting, printing is really just a form of manufacture exactly the same as the production of the mug. It's not 'fine' art of course; when you take a readymade and put it in a gallery, the reason it becomes fine art is because of the artists conscious choice of object and method of display.
Sorry if I came off as rude! My sleeping disorders been acting up lately and I sold all my Zopiclone to raise some scratch.
ViolentDove:
Apparently where Bill Henson went wrong was not putting his models inside a novelty-sized pumpkin.
Seriously though, why are nude pictures of babies alright, but Bill Henson's work isn't? Babies have even less ability to consent to being photographed inside a giant tulip, and I'm sure there must be someone out there with a baby fetish.
The only good that could come out of this is the possible banning of Anne Geddes in Australia. That would make me pretty happy!
MadassAlex:
--- Quote from: RedLion on 25 May 2008, 14:44 ---Nah. The phrase has been overused, but Ben Franklin's statement that "those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security" is still dead on, nearly 250 years later.
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I have to disagree with it entirely. Did you know that you can't fly? That is because gravity anchors you to the ground, and thus protects you from its own ill effects, as long as you do not attempt to fly. Or, more applicably, the physical restrictions we have are tools of making sense of our world. Musically, scales restrict your choice of notes to make harmony more, well, harmonious.
As human beings, we're very much defined by the restrictions we place on ourselves. That quote, while applicable perhaps for the times, is small-time in a society with so much cultural diversity and thus a diversity of personal restrictions, all different. According to that quote, no-one deserves liberty or security because we all abandon different liberties according to our cultural and personal values. Your quote is very obviously a war quote, because that is its main application rather than being a practical statement.
That said, I don't agree with many of the anti-terrorism laws at all.
EDIT: My above post concerning the mental state of abused children wasn't having a go at RedLion so much as it was having a go at that line of argument as a whole. I see it a lot.
axerton:
--- Quote from: est on 25 May 2008, 06:45 ---I am more worried about Axerton's absolutely horrible statement. It's not his call to judge whether someone's better of dead or not. With time and the right support & help people can get through some pretty tough things. People can never get through being dead.
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I think I may have worded this what I said wrong. I will explain, now that I have a bit of a cooler head: while sometimes she was the greatest most lively and happy person I knew, there were other times when this completely reversed, and it was this change that would make me - in my darker moments - wonder if she wouldn't be better off dead. Hell there were at least one occasion where she decided that death would be preferable.
She did get professional help by the way, it made her worse.
I wont be coming back to this thread anymore, it brings up to much shit that I would prefer forgotten.
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