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A thread about psychedelics
Scandanavian War Machine:
i think it's legal in most states. i know it's legal here in Washington.
clockworkjames:
Sometimes I trip bad on weed, which is weird because I smoke a fair bit of it. The only weird thing is that sometimes it feels surreal and stuff happens that makes me question things alot more, I like it it's like the best TV show ever in my brain. Have you documented any of your experiences? Care to share? I would but when I am really bombed I cannot type or write. I'm lazy enough when not high.
I know weed is not really a psychedelic drug, but it does mind altering stuff to me that I was reminded of when you stated that you began to "understand something fundamental about the universe in a way (you) didn't before" because I think it is awesome you experienced it but I know I most likely never will because I am not happy trying it rite now. I guess you could say I am too scared.
As for the drugs you mentioned, I stay away from lsd and stuff because I don't know how well I would handle it since I know how I can be on weed (Quiet, sit there doing NOTHING but mind racing) and other drugs I have taken have had little or no effect on me (MDMA/E/Speed). I know the risks, and of what I have taken I know speed is the most potentially fatal due not just to the chemicals put into it but also what it does to your body, total LAN drug though. Keeps you up and in many cases improves performance and you can tell why.
Oh and Salvia, that was not great, a friend got shit scared, started to get a little freaked out at his skin and shit. Never really saw the point to be honest.
KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: SilentJ on 07 Jun 2008, 01:16 ---Is it legal here/elsewhere? Also I hear it does some wild shit to a person. The first explanation I got was "it's this weird-ass drug that makes you think you're the floor or some shit."
--- End quote ---
It's legal in the UK. My experience with Salvia is that it changes your perception of objects and lets you percieve relationships between them, though these relationships might not actually be meaningful. Some people may have been on gabbly when I was making my one day album, during the process of which I took ecstacy, weed and salvia, where at one point I started t y p i n g e v e r y t h i n g l i k e t h i s because the letters needed space to breathe. Another example would be a time I was experimenting and I tried completing sudoku puzzles under the influence of it. When I was under the drugs effects, it seemed like I was actually seeing the logical connections, and I was completing hard level puzzles in about a minute. However, when I reviewed my efforts sober, I found that not only had I solved the puzzles incorrectly, but I had used letters, punctuation marks, primitive shapes and in one case had just drawn lines all over the puzzle. I also find salvia can have pretty wierd effects over your perception of your own body. I've had some similiar effects with MDMA/E, a perception that my limbs have changed length or mass, or that parts of my body are no longer physically connected to each other. I also have this thing, which I think may be a personal hang-up, where things turn into insects. In one extreme case, my skin turned into spiders. However, strangely, it was in no way scary: for me, at least, Salvia seems impossible of giving a bad trip, no matter how fucked up the imagery becomes. I have no idea if this is true for anyone. I don't know any other people who really use salvia: most people seem to try it once and give up because it has little or no effect on them, generally because they use a low-strength extract (or even un-refined leaves, which you practically have to eat by the pound) and smoke it in a joint. Salvia requires a much higher temperature than nicotine or THC to be released, so you either need to use a pipe, or a carefully packed joint with a hot burning tobacco (ie drum gold) and a relatively high extract strength (I prefer 30x, though it is damn expensive).
onewheelwizzard:
Salvia is capable of doing some fucked up shit to a person. It is currently the only psychedelic to have given me an experience that was genuinely terrible ... I took it a few times with less than impressive results, but the last time I did it (which was more than two years ago) it took me out of my body entirely for 5 minutes and thrust me into a completely different universe, one that was literally composed out of these bizarre little amoeba entities that *vocally and unanimously* hated and rejected and mocked me. After coming out of this trance, my skin felt hot, clammy, and two sizes too small, and I was having trouble trusting my friends who had been with me when I took it. It was, to this day, the most intensely uncomfortable experience I've ever had ... uncomfortable in a way that was not explicitly painful but was more intense than most feelings of pain I've ever felt. The only lesson I learned from salvia was not to fuck around with it again anytime soon, but at the time it was by far the clearest and most obvious lesson I'd learned from any drug.
Salvia is mysteriously completely inactive in a certain portion of the population. It's insanely powerful for others, but I can't feel comfortable recommending it to anyone after what it did to me. The way I would describe it now, with a couple years of experience and retrospection, is that it's great if you don't mind not having any fun. Salvia is not fun even when it is a good experience (which I can imagine it being, somewhat ... since it has a jack-out-of-the-matrix effect in high doses that is similar to that of the grandaddy of all psychedelics, crystal DMT, it's definitely powerful, and with that power comes the potential for something really meaningful, but it's also completely unpredictable and will probably be close to incomprehensible to people who are not already very well-versed in how weird an altered state of consciousness can be). At the time I took it last I was not prepared to deal with it at all ... I feel like I could revisit it now and get something good out of the experience but I have very little desire to. The bottom line is that salvia is just immeasurably weird and in my opinion should probably not be approached as a "recreational substance" in any way. Like I said, out of all the things it might be, fun is not going to be one of them.
Right now the only interest I have in salvia is that at some point I want to get my hands on a quid of fresh leaves so I can chew it for an hour or two. Apparently this was the traditional shamanic method of using salvia, and the trance state it puts a person in is much more manageable than the rollercoaster ride that results in the 5 minutes after smoking a high dose. Either way, though, salvia is generally just a little too bizarre to be actively enjoyed by anyone but the hardest-core psychonaut.
morca007:
My only experiences with psychedelics thus far have been null, but I remain optimistic.
-Hawaiian Baby Woodrose: Prepared two different ways (both should have worked, medium-heavy dose), got nothing both times.
-Salvia: Nothing, guess I didn't get it hot enough.
This summer I will try and hunt down some Psilocybin mushrooms.
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