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A thread about psychedelics
Dimmukane:
In case anyone forget the first time and second time I said my name, it's Sean.
RedLion:
Yeah, onewheel, that's exactly why I tend to put a bigger emphasis on zen and mindfulness meditation, because when I take LSD without having dealt with underlying anxieties and tensions that I have, they tend to pop up. It doesn't necessarily cause a "bad trip," but it actually winds up pulling me back into petty things, rather than expanding my focus. I don't really know how to word this in any other way: I'm a very sensitive person. I've proven to myself and to others my ability to get through just about anything and everything, and it's impossible for me to hold a grudge or sit for hours ruminating on bad possibilities, but the things I feel, I feel very, very deeply. And so when I'm upset or worried about something deep down inside, even if I'm not consciously acknowledging it, it manifests itself in my hallucinations.
Meditation has often had the effect of...how to describe it...it's like a soft, ethereal light that gently enters into me and purges me entirely of those things. It's all dependent on the mind, and the ability to..eh. Damn. Meditating is hard to describe. Because it's not about "taming" the mind. The opposite in fact. I guess, I prefer meditation because it attunes me to the interconnectedness of all existence, the beauty of this, of existence, while also gently soothing away the pains, both emotional and physical, within me.
onewheelwizzard:
--- Quote from: RedLion on 09 Jun 2008, 22:42 ---it's like a soft, ethereal light that gently enters into me and purges me entirely of those things.
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This is literally, almost verbatim, the way I have consistently described my more recent MDMA experiences. It feels as if the entity I usually call "myself" has been melted away in the heat of a bright, warm light that flows from within me out towards any object or person I interact with. I no longer act under any sort of pretense ... all of my actions are entirely honest and heartfelt, because they're not mine, instead they're expressions of this light that pervades me. My body acts as a channel for this light to flow through, instead of being a static container for my neuroses, addictions, and general hang-ups.
In fact, reading your post and inserting the word "drugs" for "meditation" in the second paragraph is a pretty perfectly accurate description of how I've felt about them over the past 6 months to a year or so.
johnny5:
--- Quote from: snalin on 08 Jun 2008, 11:46 ---A bit of topic; but there's something that intrigues me. Every time I visit America-based forum boards with (mostly) american posters, there's always a LOT of people that does/has done drugs. I don't know if it's me who just hang out with the wrong people, or if it's a cultural thing, but that's not even close to the state of things here in Norway. People drink a lot, but drugs are pretty rare.
Is there a lot of drugs amoung young people (the 16-25ish) in the USA? How comon is drugs in your local area?
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perhaps it is the culture also, afterall, americans have been using heavy drugs for 50 years now at least. as for me, i first started in highschool but didn't get into the more "serious" drugs until college. i'd say college was the gate-opener for me.
supersheep:
I don't think there is any more of a drugs culture in the US than anywhere else. It's probably just a function of the US bias on the forums - more USians means more who admit to taking drugs. I know that, in my experience, almost everyone I know takes drugs. Maybe this is also a function of bias? Am I likely to be friends with this sort of people because they are similar to me, even if our first experiences were long after we met? Who knows.
My psychedelic experiences have been... weird. I would almost say they have been all good, but that is not entirely true. I would certainly not advise one's first experience with LSD to be hungover, for example, and bring some comedown material. Some hash would have been nice for the comedown, as I got into a self-reinforcing loop of wanting it to be over which made me feel shit and uncomfortable. Also, it's pretty much the only time I've ever felt uncomfortable around my ex. Nonetheless, I can completely see what people say about the potential for spiritual development or whatever after use - I've certainly noticed a change for the better, more organisation, more determination, and a firm commitment to keeping my house tidy. It's less strong now, but it definitely existed.
Salvia stories can be amazing. Things always seem to take on a fairytale nature with me - colours are vibrant, there are castles, roads, etc. The first time, every angle in the world turned into these creatures called Skellingnaughts, which were a cross between Hungry Hungry Hippos and crocodiles. What I liked most, however, was that, when I started to feel uncomfortable, I was able to find company and bring myself out of the hallucination (although, on reflection, this may have been because it was a weak dose, I don't know).
I'm still more of a person to use things for enjoyment rather than spiritual development, though.
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