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A thread about psychedelics
imonfire:
--- Quote from: onewheelwizzard on 13 Jun 2008, 23:44 ---
-Don't put more than one or two things into each pocket, or else you're going to have a lot of trouble finding anything.
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this made me lol.
- If you're a smoker make sure you have enough cigarrettes so that you dont have to overcome the incredible obstical of trying to purchase something when you're wacky.
-If you intend on enjoying any electronic entertainment be sure that all of the necessary appliances are fully hooked up lest you be faced with that challange later.
Ocarina654:
LSD, MDMA, and Mushrooms were my highest on the test.
That said I have never taken any drugs for any sort of recreational or spiritual purposes. The only time I've really had any "mind-altering" drugs was when I got my wisdom teeth pulled. Waking up afterwards was enjoyable, despite (or perhaps partially because of) being at least half asleep. I felt great though.
In addition to that I have been around friends who were smoking pot, but I didn't partake. It was an interesting (and highly entertaining) experience, and it wouldn't too far off to say I had a bit of a contact-high, as almost everything that happened was funny.
Like I said above, I've never taken any drugs, but I am interested. The idea of a different mental state intrigues me. I've done research of LSD and Salvia before, and both sound like both great and horrible ideas at the same time. Having a "spiritual" or otherwise reflective experience intrigues me. All the positive stories sound great, and yet I hear of the negative side-effects. Some say LSD has zero unintended side effects (which I don't believe, everything has side effects) and others say use can result in psychosis, which I'm not interested in. Is it likely that I'll go bat-shit insane after taking LSD? I doubt it. Does the prospect still kinda turn me off to using? Yes.
Salvia sounds like a great experience sometimes, and terrible others. I'm conflicted about this. I've heard from various people that the way to go with Salvia is quid, tea, or cooking with it. Others say the best way to do it is vaporizing it or taking extract. I'd lean towards quid myself (traditionally shamanistic way, seems most natural to me), but I don't really know. When I read positive Salvia stories, they sound amazing. Negative stories sound horrible. Also, other side-effects? Haven't really heard of any, but I doubt there are none. The severity is probably small, but its still a concern of mine.
I'm still not sold on the idea of using, but the whole thing is of great interest to me.
What can you guys tell me about MDMA? Like I said, I scored high for it on that test, and I did read up a bit on Erowid, but I'd like a more personal take on it.
I know a little about shrooms, and onewheelwizzard's latest post has been informative (despite having read most of it before, its still good information to review). If there's anything else to it, I'd love to hear, even if I never decide to take any.
Dimmukane:
The key thing with MDMA, really, is to make sure what you're taking is MDMA, and the next big thing is to make sure you drink enough water (2-3 bottles is pretty good). I've only ever done it once, and I took one pill that ended up being caffeine, and half of another that was most certainly MDMA. Not having done it more than once, I don't have much advice in regards to setting or anything, but I do know that some people get a little depressed the day after as a result of the serotonin rush the night before. That can be countered with simple vitamins, which I can't recall the name of. It's on erowid, though.
onewheelwizzard:
I have an interesting perspective on MDMA. See, MDMA is the chemical that has been most heavily researched for use in psychotherapy, and for the longest time I was totally confused by all the attention it was getting. It seemed pointless compared to LSD and psilocybin research ... why would anyone waste their time with a silly dance-party drug (one that can actually cause overdose, and furthermore has lasting neurotoxic effects if heavily abused, at that), when there were infinitely more powerful (and substantially safer) substances sitting right under our noses? I refrained from using it myself for years after I started exploring psychedelics because I didn't see the point ... I considered myself a pretty happy person and didn't want to fuck around with the brain systems that were responsible for that, and I'd heard that MDMA could actually damage your brain.
Then I actually did the research (I wrote a final paper on MDMA neurotoxicity 2 years ago) and discovered that all the research that maligned MDMA as terribly unsafe had been really, really poorly done. The flagship study that condemned MDMA for "putting holes in your brain" (as I'm sure many of you have heard) didn't even use MDMA (they accidentally gave their monkey subjects methamphetamine, which is far more damaging at the same levels of abuse, and to make matters worse is a legally prescribed drug). Furthermore, it was in pretty extensive use among psychotherapists and marital counselors for decades before it was made illegal, so it's clinically viable from a safety perspective. So I figured, if it was actually safe to use in standard single-dose quantities, why not give it a shot?
I had a couple MDMA experiences at dance parties that were quite enjoyable but not exactly groundbreaking. It wasn't until I started taking MDMA in the context of a sexual/romantic relationship that I started to realize what it was actually capable of, and why it was used in psychotherapy for so long.
Picture a person with EXTREMELY difficult personal issues. They can't connect to people, they're unable to function emotionally, they can't trust anyone, they find it impossible to talk about their lives with any degree of openness or confidence, they never seem to feel positive emotion of any kind, etc., etc., etc. We're talking about someone REALLY fucked up. Now picture being their therapist. You've got your job cut out for you, obviously, and you spend months trying to crack this person out of their shell so they can take steps towards happiness and open, honest emotional communication with other people, but their personal difficulties are simply too weighty and they are losing confidence in themselves rapidly and perhaps approaching becoming suicidal.
Now, as their therapist, think about the best possible thing that could happen to that person. It would give them greater insight into their personal emotional difficulties, open them up to feeling more trust towards others so you could explore their emotional state with them, increase their capacity to empathize with others and understand emotional relationships from more perspectives than their own, heighten the sensations they feel physically and make them feel more alive and sensitive and connected to the world around them, and of course heighten their mood, so that not only could they talk about their lives and their troubles with clarity and honesty, but they would feel optimistic enough throughout the therapy session that they would feel as if there was some hope for them, and inspire them to fight more strongly against their inner demons in the future, as well as in a tighter partnership with you, the therapist.
That's exactly what MDMA does. And when normally functioning people take it, it basically elevates them to an entirely supernormal level of emotional clarity, as well as elevating mood and physical sensations. MDMA opens someone up to everything, both within them and around them, and heightens their ability and willingness to trust others and form or enrich emotional connections. And in a very real way, the most fundamental effect of an MDMA experience is love. At this point, in order to explain myself fully, I'd have to go into a long discussion of what I personally believe love to be, and I'm not going to do that right now, but to preempt the reaction I usually get from saying that, I think I need to make the point that the love that a person feels towards others on MDMA is only as synthetic and chemically-derived as they make it. While it can be easy to mistake the surface effects of MDMA (good physical sensations, happy mood, positive emotional bonding, etc.) for love if one is not exactly used to feeling love for others in day-to-day life, anyone who has strong preexisting feelings of love will most likely find that they have never felt it to be so clear and uninhibited and honest as when they're on MDMA. It can be an extraordinarily affecting experience.
Oh, and the first time I took MDMA and had sex, my orgasm lasted for 10 minutes. The effects of MDMA on the emotions might be the reason why people research it, but the effects it has on physical sensation can be crazy intense too. At higher doses it basically feels like your entire body is being given a blowjob.
If you want to take it, I would recommend taking it with a significant other, and setting the intention of exploring your relationship together (sex is also a really good idea). However, I would also recommend that the first time you take MDMA be at a dance party. The affinity it has for dancing and a festive atmosphere is too good to be passed up. In my experience, if you take MDMA at a rave with someone you're falling in love with, it changes your life in ways you wouldn't even dare to hope for.
Jposh:
--- Quote from: Scandanavian War Machine on 13 Jun 2008, 17:02 ---i would highly recommend growing your own mushrooms. a friend of mine had a little planter in his room and made something like 300% profit from it and that's AFTER taking several 1/8's for himself and friends. but that's probably not typical depending on the type of mushrooms, time of year, region etc.
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Did he use the jar, pressure cooker, brown rice flour, and vermiculite method? Or by "planter", did you mean he just mixed spores with dirt and let them grow?
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