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Article on "Fat Faye"
Rocketman:
--- Quote from: taekwondogirl on 05 Jul 2008, 23:35 ---A bit more on topic: I've never really considered Faye fat fat. I view her as one of those cute, heavier set girls who still manage to be very attractive because of their confidence.
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The way you phrase that makes it sound like 'heavier set' is an obstacle to attractiveness. Explain yourself, good sir. :x
Mars:
Why should it need explaining?
Dudes all have different tastes when it comes to women. Some guys aren't attracted to the 'chunky' girls like Faye is portrayed to be. Some guys may consider a girl who is confident and spirited attractive where they may not consider a girl with a similar body type attractive if she didn't possess those qualities.
--- Quote from: Thlayli on 07 Jul 2008, 21:42 ---I can't get cancer from secondhand obesity. Smoking is a matter of public safety.
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According to the last studies I read on the subject, the odds of you getting cancer from second hand smoke are exceptionally low unless you're exposed to it on a daily basis. I mean, shit. For perspective, if I quit smoking before I turn 30 the odds of me getting lung cancer are not signifcantly higher than among the general population and I've smoked half a pack a day for years.
Aside from that, if an establishment allows smoking and you don't want to be exposed to it, all you have to do is take your money and business elsewhere. If enough people feel like you do, the change will occur naturally. It shouldn't have to be forced. If we're talking government buildings or public transit or something, I'll agree with you. Outdoors or in a private commercial building like a bar or a restaurant, well that's a different story.
Smoking is really off-topic though. I think we can all agree that fat people who are in denial about being fat and how unhealthy it is suck.
taekwondogirl:
--- Quote from: Mars on 07 Jul 2008, 22:04 ---Why should it need explaining?
Dudes all have different tastes when it comes to women. Some guys aren't attracted to the 'chunky' girls like Faye is portrayed to be. Some guys may consider a girl who is confident and spirited attractive where they may not consider a girl with a similar body type attractive if she didn't possess those qualities.
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This is exactly it. If someone's fine with how they look and is confident about it, then it really doesn't matter to me unless it's a health issue. If someone's unhappy about how they look and isn't actually trying to do something constructive about it, that's more indicative of something in the personality. Also I'm imagining the original sir was a joke but um. Yeah. I'm female.
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--- Quote from: Thlayli on 07 Jul 2008, 21:42 ---I can't get cancer from secondhand obesity. Smoking is a matter of public safety.
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According to the last studies I read on the subject, the odds of you getting cancer from second hand smoke are exceptionally low unless you're exposed to it on a daily basis. I mean, shit. For perspective, if I quit smoking before I turn 30 the odds of me getting lung cancer are not signifcantly higher than among the general population and I've smoked half a pack a day for years.
Aside from that, if an establishment allows smoking and you don't want to be exposed to it, all you have to do is take your money and business elsewhere. If enough people feel like you do, the change will occur naturally. It shouldn't have to be forced. If we're talking government buildings or public transit or something, I'll agree with you. Outdoors or in a private commercial building like a bar or a restaurant, well that's a different story.
Smoking is really off-topic though. I think we can all agree that fat people who are in denial about being fat and how unhealthy it is suck.
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Cancer is not the only problem smoking causes, and there are many other health risks associated with second hand smoke. You have a point about not going anywhere that allows smoking and using your money to decide, but the fact of the matter is there are too many smokers for any restaurant to choose really of their own accord to be completely smoke free.
Being fat affects yourself and people who care about you. Smoking affects you, people who care about you, and everyone in the vicinity. To what degree is up for debate, but I've never met someone who's argued that smoking is healthy for the smoker. They might argue for acceptance of their lifestyle for other reasons, but the point is that they aren't deluded into thinking a choice they've made doesn't harm them.
Illumilatte:
I live near Austin, TX and they passed a smoking ban about 3 or so years ago...back when I was working in a bar as a Hostess. I was thankful for it, as I'm not a smoker(except occasionally at a hooka bar) and I really don't care for it...but if I had to choose between having my job and dealing with some smoke, I probably would've chosen my job. *shrugs*
The town I live in, about 30 miles south and it still allows smoking in bars. I go out to Karaoke at the bar on Wednesdays usually and I deal with the smoke, and I'm not that annoyed...but still, I find it pretty gross. I hate how I smell when I come home. I don't see why it's such a big deal to not smoke in a bar or restaurant considering you can step outside for a smoke break. My friends who are smokers don't smoke in their own house so that it doesn't smell...why should it be so different at a restaurant?
On the other hand being fat doesn't actually hurt anyone except perhaps yourself. And, likewise with smokers, people know being obese is not good for you, in general makes people think you're less attractive, hurts yourself esteem and various other things discussed. If someone knows the consequences of their actions that are harmless to others, should they just be left alone? Does criticizing help them at all? I think it really depends on the individual and their personality.
But, if you say nothing and act like nothing is wrong...does that make it easier for things like "Fat Acceptance" to start? People who feel like outcasts naturally gather, share their similar opinions and start validating one another. The internet is huge in facilitating this. I've visited many message boards that have this same mentality of "Us against the world!" and sadly it seems like someone joins a group like "Fat Acceptance" that they will put much more effort into changing their paradigm and identity to fit within the new group that accepts them "as is" than towards improving themselves towards the "norm"(in this case losing weight).
In general I don't think all of these groups are bad(though most seem to suffer from the same bad habits and problems), and I don't particularly think anyone should be forced or compelled to be more "normal". I believe everyone should spend their lives gradually improving and they should get to be the person they want to be, and spend their lives pursing whatever they want. But I find it really hard to believe "Fat Acceptance" is really what these people want. It just seems like an easy alternative to a healthy lifestyle. I think if and or when our society starts seeing it as more and more acceptable to be obese and "no connection between being fat and being unhealthy" is when we'll be in more trouble...because then there will be less and less motivation for people to be healthy.
britMonster:
--- Quote from: snoppyjanoppy on 07 Jul 2008, 16:49 ---
--- Quote from: Illumilatte on 06 Jul 2008, 00:43 ---I wonder when she's going to write an article complaining about Wall-e. :-(
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This made me lol for a good 10 minutes. <3
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