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evernew:
I'm not denying basic healthcare for everybody.

What I don't want is my tax monies / healthcare contributions vanishing in expensive treatment of smokers OR fatties because both groups have been properly warned about the consequences of their choices. And fat people just cost way more once they get older and their fat-related health problems become more apparent.

If I could (and it wasn't regarded as incredibly insensitive), I would hand out leaflets to obese people that just say MODERATION and EXERCISE in big letters.

To quote a great website (Doubleviking):

--- Quote ---But even though the REAL Italian diet contains pasta, those bitches know the key to staying fit and still eating what you want: SMALLER PORTIONS.

And in fact, the pasta portion of a traditional meal (the so called "primo piatto") is, according to the experts at About.com, the size of a CUP. Not a plate. Not a bowl. A fucking CUP.
--- End quote ---

Any advance in fighting obesity in the population needs to go hand in hand with educational efforts.
And those who see all the signs and still choose to be fat - those people can pay for their fat-related extra treatment from their own goddamn pockets for all I care.
If obesity is subsidized through general healthcare, it clogs up the entire system. Much like fat people do a crowded shopping street.

Oh no.
I am fatophobic.
 :x

darth.malie:
Hey, I just wanted to throw my hat into the ring.
I'm short as hell and on the curvy side, and haven't always been 100% cool with that. Not clinically depressed or anything, just less than thrilled. Reading QC and seeing such a prominent character with my body type (and abrasive personality) that was considered attractive was really an ego boost. Faye getting made fun of for being squishy is just that, getting made fun of.
That is all.

evernew:
I don't pay for the war with my tax monies because I'm not from the States.
I do, however, pay for cancer treatment of chain smokers and the cardiovascular therapy which obese people receive.

A lot of the other health risks you listed are job- or lifestyle-related. Over here, job-related hazards are covered in the event of, let's say, a workplace accident.
Most insurance policies will not cover extreme sports injuries. Why? Because there is a serious risk of something bad happening to you.
Much like smoking or being overweight.

I only smoke occasionally. But I do like sports that make you go fast and I'm aware of the risks that come with this conscious decision. And I'm prepared to accept that whatever medical treatment I may require because of sports injuries, I'm very likely to pay for myself.

Hospitals should treat those people, of course. Hospitals should treat all people. But the general public should not foot the bill for individual risk-taking.

The next point I'm quite a heretic on: I don't believe that more than 2 or 3 percent of the population is unable to lose weight because of their genes.
Let me explain.
I was chubby when I was 12 or 13. I like eating. When I hit a growth spurt, that all went away.
When I was 20 or so, my metabolism settled in a little and I noticed after a period of slacking on sports and eating like I used to that I'd gain weight.
Because I don't like being overweight (#1 reason is that I don't fit into my favorite clothes anymore), I try to maintain a certain level. That's all it is, really. Get to a level which is healthy and maintain it.
Most people I've met who claim that their genes are the problem do not do any sports (let alone doing them regularly) or work out or care about their diet at all.

A peculiar group are the people who grow up chubby and who grow up in a chubby family. You could say that they're obviously a product of their environment. Poorly educated parents, yada yada. But once they are adults (and have the chance to know better), it is up to them. This is right about the point where most people I've met settle into the apathy that their body shape is beyond their control.
Once these people have tried it (not just for shits and giggles, I mean diet, sports, the whole works over a longer period of time) and - despite evidence that they are leading an unnecessarily unhealthy lifestyle - choose to remain overweight, I don't think it's fair to burden society with the extra dollars their treatment costs.

Now this may all be biased and karma may well bite me in the ass if I'm wrong.

But if there's one point I wanted to make here - it is that public healthcare is not responsible for picking up after you. A big part of being a responsible citizen is assuming responsibility for one's actions and behavior - including health and sports. If you choose to accept certain risks in your life, it should be you who takes care of them as well.

britMonster:

--- Quote from: Jepser on 08 Jul 2008, 10:32 ---I think the problem is when you eat 50 twinkies a day.

Twinkies; one of the mysteries of American culture to me. I know they're some kind of cookie or pastry, but still. Ah well, I'm guessing most of you don't know about tompouces.

--- End quote ---

What is a tompouce? Twinkies are a yellow cake-ish thing filled with some sort of creamy stuff. They really are very gross.

Illumilatte:

--- Quote from: britMonster on 08 Jul 2008, 21:18 ---What is a tompouce? Twinkies are a yellow cake-ish thing filled with some sort of creamy stuff. They really are very gross.

--- End quote ---

They are also rumored to be "good"/"fresh" forever...which is why it's amusing the cockroach(another thing that is said will survive forever) in Wall-e is eating it, after there's been no food on earth for 700 years :-P

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