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Re: Quantum Of Solace
« Reply #50 on: 15 Nov 2008, 00:39 »

Just saw it, and I found it underwhelming. There weren't any of the stylish sequences like the ones at the beginning of CR, the plot was far too straightforward and felt more like a string of action sequences than anything (there's a pretty cool twist at the beginning, but it's followed by a lot of nothing), the characters were flat, and the villain in particular was completely insignificant. It didn't have the oomph of its predecessor. Far more than CR, it felt like a retread of Bourne, just with more exotic locales.

They need to get Martin Campbell back. Marc Forster is far too slick of a director for this stuff.
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Re: Quantum Of Solace
« Reply #51 on: 15 Nov 2008, 09:08 »

The ending was very anti-climactic. I was expecting something a lot more...
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Re: Quantum Of Solace
« Reply #52 on: 16 Nov 2008, 13:35 »

Saw it today, I don't know what people are talking about, I liked it. I mean, a couple of the fighting scenes definitely made my a little motion sick, but overall I thought it was pretty good. Not as good as Casino Royale, but I have no real complaints.
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Re: Quantum Of Solace
« Reply #53 on: 16 Nov 2008, 17:32 »

I completely agree with Boro,

I went to the movie expecting an action movie with James Bond in it and that is exactly what I got. Also, Olga Kurylenko is just amazingly hot. Hooray for Ukrainian girls.
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Re: Quantum Of Solace
« Reply #54 on: 16 Nov 2008, 17:54 »

Agreed, It's not as good as Casino Royale. It was a bit plot twisty which i did't expect from a bond film.

Also, Bond doesn't bone Olga, the main girl in the movie(I forgot her character name). Totally unexpected
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« Reply #55 on: 16 Nov 2008, 23:19 »

yeah, but he boned Fields, and hot British redheads are just fine with me. Go Bond.
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« Reply #56 on: 17 Nov 2008, 12:40 »

Spoiler:She got covered in oil, how awful.
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Re: Quantum Of Solace
« Reply #57 on: 18 Nov 2008, 01:36 »

What kind of oil? =DDD

It hasn't come out for us A'straiyuns, but I saw a picture of Bond wearing this dirty jumper-hoodie and everyone around me was like, "omgwtf he's channelling his Jason Bourne"...

Is it really that extreme? =P
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« Reply #58 on: 18 Nov 2008, 05:49 »

It's not far off the mark.  Casino Royale was great because it actually gave Bond emotions, and it had a realistic villain, more or less.  QoS is a step backwards, more toward the old Super Killguy Bond that previous actors portrayed, and less like the more human Bond portrayed in CR.  The villain in QoS is also realistic, but pretty boring - I can think of a lot of realistic psuedo-supervillain professions before I pick one as innocuous as the one they went with.

There's also virtually no character development (I didn't even know the names of the henchman Olga Kurylenko's character until I checked IMDb after I got home), and while Olga Kurylenko was hot in her role, I gotta say Gemma Arterton (the actress who played Strawberry Fields)  stole the show in that arena.  I do think it was kinda cool that Bond didn't get the Bond girl in this flick; Arterton doesn't count, both because Kurylenko was the one listed as a starring role (the designated Bond girl), and because Strawberry Fields is MI-6 :P

It's still a great movie, but go in expecting a Jason Bourne flick instead of a Casino Royale-esque Bond.
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Re: Quantum Of Solace
« Reply #59 on: 19 Nov 2008, 08:01 »

Man, I do not really get this Jason Bourne comparisons. I mean, yeah, they're both action films based around a male protagonist, and QoS certainly stole a couple of stylistic tricks from the Bourne films in the action sequences - but then, so did Casino Royale, and I'm pretty sure the Bourne films were hugely influenced by the old Bond movies anyway. Just having one hand-to-hand combat scene in a hotel room filmed with a shaky hand-held camera does not justify the comparisons, as far as I'm concerned. The mood for the non-action scenes was fairly classic Bond, really - dalliances with beautiful spies in plush hotel rooms, attending cocktail parties in a fancy tux, doing some spying at the opera. The list goes on.

It wasn't perfect - the plot hung together badly and poorly fleshed out in favour of jamming way too many locations in, the action sequences were occasionally a bit lacklustre, and the casting in places was a joke. Of course, these are all criticisms that good be levelled at many of the classic Bond films, but now that they've stripped away a lot of the old charm and light-heartedness of the old films, they really can't afford to get these things wrong.
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Re: Quantum Of Solace
« Reply #60 on: 19 Nov 2008, 10:19 »

Man, Bourne is quite unlike Bond. All they really have in common is a setting of covert action.

Bourne influenced the new Bond in several ways. The only time I remember Bond getting into actual hand-to-hand fights before CR was maybe a scene in Goldeneye. Before that it was mostly gunplay in tuxes, gadgets and maybe a poorly choreographed wrestling match. But the action sequences are beside the point, really. I'd chalk those up to prevailing action movie trends than actual specific aping.

What Bourne had that breathed life into the spy genre was a semblance of reality. Bond was all magical realism and wish fulfillment. Wouldn't it be cool if spies were actually dashing high-society douchebags with expensive toys, instead of the pencil-pushing bureaucrats and, to a lesser extent, military men that they actually are?

Bourne took the spy movie away from the glossy save-the-world-from-a-eurotrash-villain antics and brought it closer to what reality would look like were it a movie. Evil geniuses with death rays and alopecia intent on destroying the world? Silly. A highly trained wetworks agent on the run from a gov't with its hands dirty? Slightly less implausible, but it felt plausible in the post 9/11 world. It's pertinent to point out that the Bourne books are definitely influenced by Bond, but they're airport paperbacks and inferior in pretty much every way to the movie versions. Bourne was in a lot of ways an inversion of Bond. Bourne is a professional soldier who improvises under pressure. Bond is a suave, quippy jetsetter who always knows what to do. Bourne steals cars, uses public transport and hides out in slums. Bond drives a paid-for Aston Martin (which he casually trashes) and stays at beachfront resorts under his own name. Bourne opposes his handlers, shady bureaucrats who have committed simple crimes that actually are carried out by covert agencies in the name of national interest. Bond opposes rich villains with needlessly elaborate plans who are evil for ambiguous reasons.

When Casino Royale opened with grainy digital footage of Daniel Craig drowning a guy in a sink, it was meant to be a signal of a reboot in more ways than one, but more to the point it was playing at being Bourne. They couldn't keep that facade up forever, Bond has expectations to live up to, and with QoS you can see them attempt to have it both ways, having a dedicated professional soldier who also happens to be a high society douchebag, who drives Aston Martins but fights with his bare knuckles, who puts on impeccably tailored suits before dirtying them up real good, who chafes against his agency but always for the right reasons in the end, a cad who is also deeply romantic. Really it's just Bond, minus the gadgetry, with a new coat of paint. It's only going to take a few movies before it's as innocuous and tiring as it ever was.
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Re: Quantum Of Solace
« Reply #61 on: 19 Nov 2008, 13:54 »

I never found Bond movies to be "innocuous and tiring." You know what you're going to get going in to them. That's part of why they have such staying power and why they're so great. Even Die Another Day, one of the crappiest Bond movies, was better than most other action movies in existence. The only time the series had a big problem was near the end of Roger Moore's career.
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« Reply #62 on: 19 Nov 2008, 15:16 »

Man, the last few Brosnan Bonds were pretty awful, even if they were effective action movies. From Russia With Love is a good movie movie, not just a good action movie. It's possible for these films to be good. There was a gradual decline in quality after Goldeneye and Casino Royale effectively hit the reset button for a lot of people, but the seams are starting to show for me. If they get a new director and a better villain next time (and I think that's the thing about QoS and the last Brosnans that sucked the most - boring villains) I'll come around, but I did not really find a lot to like in QoS.
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Re: Quantum Of Solace
« Reply #63 on: 19 Nov 2008, 15:36 »

Man, I definitely agree that QoS was really nothing special - I just don't think that writing it (and the entire reboot, as I've seen a lot of people do) off as too similar to Bourne. Maybe this last film did veer a little too much that way (although, like I said, I really don't think that was the problem with it - the weak villain was definitely one of it's biggest flaws, as well as a plot that felt like it had very little in the way of direction), but Casino Royale proved that this can work, and hopefully will again (this film actually left open the potential for some good villains and a potentially more focussed plot). I don't think it's impossible for them to have them tread a line that is somewhere between the old Bonds and Bourne - Casino Royale, again, did this pretty well, I thought. I just hope they manage to pull it back together for the next one.
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Re: Quantum Of Solace
« Reply #64 on: 19 Nov 2008, 18:35 »

Man, the last few Brosnan Bonds were pretty awful, even if they were effective action movies. From Russia With Love is a good movie movie, not just a good action movie. It's possible for these films to be good. There was a gradual decline in quality after Goldeneye and Casino Royale effectively hit the reset button for a lot of people, but the seams are starting to show for me. If they get a new director and a better villain next time (and I think that's the thing about QoS and the last Brosnans that sucked the most - boring villains) I'll come around, but I did not really find a lot to like in QoS.

I just strenuously disagree with the second part of that paragraph. Die another Die was shit, but Tomorrow Never Dies and The World is not Enough were pretty fucking brilliant. Further, Brosnan is my 3rd favorite Bond. He was the first actor to embody the entirety what Bond should be since Connery. Moore focused too much on the comedic aspect of the character, and Dalton too much on the violent side.
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