Topic: Pandara's Box to remain open... (Pandora.com) (Read 8783 times)

Funk Thompson · « **on:** 29 Sep 2008, 08:41 »

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10053014-93.html

Pandora looks to be having their asses pulled from the fire, with the deadline extended and the act likely to pass. Score one for the good guys, it seems.

Xaris3514 · « **Reply #1 on:** 29 Sep 2008, 09:15 »

Quote from: Ptommydski on 29 Sep 2008, 08:47

That's good news. A step in the right direction.

Fuck the "Music Industry". I'm tired of being diplomatic about this. If your interest in music is financial, I want you the fuck out of the picture as soon as possible. I hope the door hits you on your bloated fat ass on the way out too.

You have no idea how much I agree with this.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #2 on:** 29 Sep 2008, 09:43 »

'A lot'

That is how much I agree with it.

All my music is creative commons.

bbqrocks · « **Reply #3 on:** 29 Sep 2008, 09:45 »

I agree with that too. All the music I will make in the future will be creative commons.

BankHoldUp · « **Reply #4 on:** 29 Sep 2008, 10:27 »

Quote from: Ptommydski on 29 Sep 2008, 08:47

That's good news. A step in the right direction.

Fuck the "Music Industry". I'm tired of being diplomatic about this. If your interest in music is financial, I want you the fuck out of the picture as soon as possible. I hope the door hits you on your bloated fat ass on the way out too.

The current state of licensing and royalties is out of control. I compose and arrange music for marching bands and winter drumlines, if a school comes to me and asks for a show based on a popular band, the legal hoops I have to jump through are very high in the air and on fire; and I don't even charge schools for the music I write.

"Industry" executives are acutely aware of how quickly they are becoming obsolete, that's why they are fighting so hard to maintain control of their cash cow and working with the CRB to starve Net radio webmasters out of existence. It seems like Congress is doing something right with HR7084, I'm hoping that the Senate will get on board as well, even with our Socialist corporate bailout currently in the works.

Funk Thompson · « **Reply #5 on:** 29 Sep 2008, 10:43 »

If a band went and spent thousands of dollars recording an album, and put it out on creative commons license... how would they make money? How would they afford to record in the first place? I ask because I'm friends with a band debating this very thing right now.

I hate the RIAA's shenanigans and DRM, but do agree that there has to be money in it somehow... enlighten me?

Chesire Cat · « **Reply #6 on:** 29 Sep 2008, 10:51 »

There isnt such a necessity for the middle man, the financial guys, the labels the execs etc. If anything there should be a service that can get contracted when needed. Not someone you petition to get accepted.

Like if a band wants to go out on tour, they contact tourco, who for an upfront fee plus percentage of tour revenue, will arrange shows, get you a bus and some marshal stacks, and if you need it a stage, or lighting or whatever. Think of it as very modular, if you need this service but not this one you got it. Then have another business based on getting records printed and into stores, say you can print them yourselves, well they will still help you get in stores etc.

Right now its all inclusive under big fat umbrella corps with their lawyers and litigation and general fuck everyone attitude.

valley_parade · « **Reply #7 on:** 29 Sep 2008, 10:54 »

I think my next EP is going to be free.

BlahBlah · « **Reply #8 on:** 29 Sep 2008, 11:11 »

Maybe if you released music on your website for free you would only have to pay for the hosting and bandwidth used, which isn't usually too expensive. Also you could try putting some unobtrusive, useful adverts on the page, just to pay for hosting fees. Has anyone ever tried something like that?

bbqrocks · « **Reply #9 on:** 29 Sep 2008, 12:30 »

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If a band went and spent thousands of dollars recording an album, and put it out on creative commons license... how would they make money? How would they afford to record in the first place? I ask because I'm friends with a band debating this very thing right now.

Touring? Merch? Day Jobs?

october1983 · « **Reply #10 on:** 29 Sep 2008, 14:36 »

I don't really get how any band can genuinely believe they need to spend thousands of anything to record an album. I mean, sure, if you've got that kind of money to burn, you might get a better product out of it, but if you can't afford hours of studio time and an expensive producer, buy an eight track or a decent audio interface and experiment. It's fun.

Tom · « **Reply #11 on:** 29 Sep 2008, 15:05 »

Unbelievable!

EDIT: Do you think I'll ever be able to use Pandora in Australia?

Katherine · « **Reply #12 on:** 29 Sep 2008, 19:33 »

I don't understand why bands would be against something like Pandora in the first place. I mean, it isn't like I can go to Pandora and just listen to whatever album I want, by whatever band I want. I listen to a bunch of artists from one genre that interests me, or I get to explore new music by artists similar to other artists that I already know and like. I am inevitably going to find bands that are awesome through Pandora, why would they not want that? I have to go out and buy the album so they are going to make money; unless I use the illegal methods to obtain said album in which case they haven't exactly lost money as a result, just lost potential earnings which they never would have had, had I not heard them on Pandora in the first place! What gives?

Nodaisho · « **Reply #13 on:** 29 Sep 2008, 20:30 »

Quote from: Ptommydski on 29 Sep 2008, 14:55

Not only fun, it might sound....y'know, good.

Imagine!

Yeah, Witchcraft's debut was recorded with old analog equipment in (I believe) a basement. And that sounds awesome.

BlahBlah · « **Reply #14 on:** 30 Sep 2008, 08:19 »

And that guy, Bob something?, has released a bunch of really good lo-fi albums...

BlahBlah · « **Reply #15 on:** 30 Sep 2008, 09:14 »

I was trying to do one of those "hey, I heard this really good band called, err, Sidewalk, the other day" posts, but evidently failed.

Funk Thompson · « **Reply #16 on:** 30 Sep 2008, 09:44 »

Yeah, but lo-fi works for some things better than others.

Chesire Cat · « **Reply #17 on:** 30 Sep 2008, 10:26 »

Britney Spears for instance needs the high production values. And you might argue that the music is shite, but who are you do decide who gets to enjoy what kind of music.

Albatron · « **Reply #18 on:** 30 Sep 2008, 11:03 »

Right but think about how she became popular, big money from big record corps. Sure its possible she might've became famous without all that since some people only like shite music, but think about the awesome artists that have to quit music and work at Starbucks because of puppets like her get all the attention from the sole path to stardom, giant record corps.

BankHoldUp · « **Reply #19 on:** 30 Sep 2008, 11:54 »

Large record companies generally don't see their artists as artists at all but rather as investments. They find a marketable individual or group (or create such an individual or group) and spend a few million dollars hyping the shit out of their "next big thing".

In the first few weeks of album sales and touring, they've made their money back and then some. They'll continue selling their product until the public is no longer interested, at which point they've got another "investment" queued up and ready for the hype machine.

Hence, why Net radio and web downloading are so threatening: it provides easy access to alternative music sources that would divide their market. Sure, they miss out on "potential profit" from people who download albums instead of buying them, but I feel their deeper concern is that their control over the music "market" is diminishing as more people use Web-based music resources to find music they like rather than what is sold to them.

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