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Elizzybeth:
My maternal grandparents only have four living heirs: their two daughters, my brother, and me. It's surely more complicated than I made it sound, figures-wise (I know, for instance, that some part of that money has been allocated to a special needs trust for my autistic brother), but however the cookie crumbles my parents will be getting their fair share. Not that I wouldn't want them to.
Social Bacon:
Sorry for being on hiatus for a while, but I do agree that it's time to put this argument to bed. At least we can agree on something. I'll just say a few things before packing it in.
--- Quote from: evernew on 25 Jul 2008, 18:42 ---How do you know they work harder?
And true equality will never happen. Someone is always a fuckbag and either gets ahead or gets what they deserve.
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I was just assuming that there's millions of people in impoverished nations that work a fuckload harder than either of us and are less well off.
And I know true equality is impossible, but I'll be damned if I don't try my best to fight against inequality.
--- Quote from: elcapitan on 26 Jul 2008, 03:36 ---Social Bacon, you sound like one of those people I hate the most at uni: the trust fund Marxists. The only difference is that while their trust funds pay for their inner-city apartments and fast cars, yours is waved around as a prop: "Look at me! Look how idealistic I am! I have all this money but I don't want it! I'm an idealist, you're a sheep! Did I mention I'm an idealist? Why won't you look at me when we make love?"
Also, I don't think you know nearly as much about economics as you claim to.
Your options are this:
a) Withdraw the cash now, pay for your schooling, and take out an equivalent loan from a bank. Do something philanthropic with this loan. Shut up.
b) Do nothing, hit 30, take the money and give it to charity (pick one at random - Pat Rafter's Cherish The Children Foundation is my suggestion). Shut up.
c) Realise that you're being given an incredible, incredible opportunity that most people in the world would trade their eye teeth for. Take it, use it meaningfully in your own life or in someone else's, and go on to found a system of economics where your wealth ends with you. Otherwise, shut up.
d) Shut up.
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I know I'm an idealist, but I generally keep my mouth shut because I know it pisses people off. I figured this is an anonymous forum and perhaps a good place to debate.
I've already said that I'm planning to do something philanthropic with the loan. I should have said that I can't actually access the money right now due to some serious legal shit that no one wants to hear me explain.
And I thought we were each allowed our own opinion.
--- Quote from: Anyways on 26 Jul 2008, 04:21 ---Social Bacon is, from my impression of him at least, a pretty nice guy that has got a shitload of money to spend one way or another, probably on something that will help others. I really don't see why either of them should be mad at each other for whatever reason, both wants to do good.
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For the moment I have only the money I earn from working two shitty jobs. But thank you.
--- Quote from: fatty on 25 Jul 2008, 03:26 ---You didn't earn your parents financial situation. Maybe you should deny your upbringing, deny the social and emotional education your parents gave you, the primary and secondary education your government gave you, pay back the cost of giving birth to and raising you, then set off on your own to earn your way. I don't believe people 'deserve' anything, otherwise a lot of good people would still be alive, and a lot of alive people would be dead.
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Sorry, I had to still be argumentative, but you're just being foolish and missing the point.
elcapitan:
--- Quote from: Social Bacon on 26 Jul 2008, 12:08 ---I know I'm an idealist, but I generally keep my mouth shut because I know it pisses people off. I figured this is an anonymous forum and perhaps a good place to debate.
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Yes but you're not an idealist. An idealist is someone with, well, an ideal. You're just a child on a vague half-formed guilt trip.
If you want it in impressive-sounding terms, temper your idealism with pragmatism. (i.e. fuck up, and do something with the chance you've got.)
--- Quote ---I've already said that I'm planning to do something philanthropic with the loan. I should have said that I can't actually access the money right now due to some serious legal shit that no one wants to hear me explain.
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Read closely. Use the money to pay your uni loan off, and take out another loan of equal value. Do something with it, and earn interest. That way you can be just like us poor students and not feel guilty.
--- Quote ---And I thought we were each allowed our own opinion.
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Yes we are. Here's mine.
jhocking:
--- Quote from: jhocking on 25 Jul 2008, 22:51 ---What a ridiculous argument to be having.
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supersheep:
--- Quote from: Social Bacon on 26 Jul 2008, 12:08 ---
--- Quote from: fatty on 25 Jul 2008, 03:26 ---You didn't earn your parents financial situation. Maybe you should deny your upbringing, deny the social and emotional education your parents gave you, the primary and secondary education your government gave you, pay back the cost of giving birth to and raising you, then set off on your own to earn your way. I don't believe people 'deserve' anything, otherwise a lot of good people would still be alive, and a lot of alive people would be dead.
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Sorry, I had to still be argumentative, but you're just being foolish and missing the point.
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That's weird, because I thought that this point that Ali and I think one or two others made, in slightly different ways, is pretty damn valid. Pretty much every advantage we have over people who live in poverty is because our countries have inherited vast amounts of wealth which they pretty much took from their colonies, and then from the post-colonies even more. I know this is an extremely simple analysis of colonialism and whatever, but it's still valid. We are rich because our ancestors were rich. Inheritance isn't the cause of inequality, it's a symptom.
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