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est:
Also also: despite Howard's best efforts Australia remains a Pretty Cool Place to live, especially when compared to some other places. For example, I wouldn't want to live in China. I am pretty sure I would only live in certain parts of the US and England. I definitely wouldn't want to live in say, Zimbabwe.
Australia is pretty ace.
Caspian:
--- Quote from: est on 31 Jul 2008, 23:54 ---Also also: despite Howard's best efforts Australia remains a Pretty Cool Place to live, especially when compared to some other places. For example, I wouldn't want to live in China. I am pretty sure I would only live in certain parts of the US and England. I definitely wouldn't want to live in say, Zimbabwe.
Australia is pretty ace.
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awww, I liked Howard (and you certainly can't argue that Australia has gone places over the last 10 years or so). At the very least, his epic farewell speech totally showed everyone just how sweet a guy he was. No, I think the howard years were pretty good, and while he could've brushed up his attitude over a few things overall he was a solid dude. There were reasons he got elected 4 times in a row.
Out of curiousity, est (for some reason I keep on thinking you're inlander- guess you australian mods are quite alike) how well travelled are you? Perhaps it's just me but I find that the more I've travelled, the more I've realised just how awesome Australia is.
elcapitan:
--- Quote from: Caspian on 01 Aug 2008, 01:56 ---awww, I liked Howard (and you certainly can't argue that Australia has gone places over the last 10 years or so).
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You bet. It's gone from being an egalitarian, inclusive, welcoming society to a place where we are encouraged to be suspicious of our neighbours (especially if they're wearing turbans or eat strange food), a place that is more than happy to invade other places for no real reason (as long as the Yanks OK it first), a place where it's OK for bosses to summarily fire their workers for no reason whatsoever (as long as they're employing less than a hundred people), and a place where the lives of 353 asylum seekers are disposable (but worth their weight in gold as an election stunt).
Oh, but the economy got better. Funny thing, so did the economy in much of the rest of the world. Also, something called "globalisation" really came into play. But surely no connection there, it was all due to Howard. Hooray for him.
Basically the only thing that stopped Australia going totally to shit is the inherent awesomeness of the place, and I honestly think that if the Libs had won again even that may have dissipated like frost in the sunshine.
--- Quote --- At the very least, his epic farewell speech totally showed everyone just how sweet a guy he was. No, I think the howard years were pretty good, and while he could've brushed up his attitude over a few things overall he was a solid dude. There were reasons he got elected 4 times in a row.
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Howard? Sweet? What planet are you living on? Brilliant politician, yes. Conniving bastard, yes. Pathetic power-walking, sporting-hero-worshipping jingoist, sure. But sweet? Away tae fuck.
As for reasons he got elected four times in a row: they were called the "Aussie battlers", remember them? The little people who were foolish and/or naive enough to fall for his appeals to crass xenophobia and historical revisionism. The ones who Howard promptly shafted with Workchoices as soon as he could get it through the Senate? They were the reason he got elected four times in a row, and thank fuck, they were the reason there wasn't a fifth.
Finally, there's a fairly decent chance that I'm more travelled than you, and the more I see of the world, the more I realise how precious Australia is and how much we need to hang on to it. We are seriously in danger of going down the same tubes as the US - a great place originally with a fantastic ethos, until the power-mongers took over and shat all over the dreams of the populace.
jhocking:
--- Quote from: gospel on 31 Jul 2008, 23:42 ---I am of Korean (if you ask which one I'll stab you) decent.
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Are you from West Korea?
Liz:
Joe is from East Korea.
He is a tough guy.
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