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patriotism/nationalism
jhocking:
--- Quote from: Storm Rider on 30 Jul 2008, 19:44 ---I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
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Photograph taken a couple weeks ago of the House of Lords:
RedLion:
After being in Europe for close to a month, American money felt fake to me. The Euro is much better. It's shiny. And different sizes.
bbqrocks:
If I lived in old england, around the time of the empire, I would be pretty patriotic (screw feeling about the slave trade, or ruling people's asses). I'm not patriotic at all about england nowadays, though. It's gotta a kinda 'we ruled your asses and now we're very sorry' mentality, and politically we have degenerated into a kind of lackey for america, which is a shame. I am proud of the english language, though- How can you not be proud that your country has forced some stupid illogical bollocks on large areas of the world.
snalin:
I'm a patriot. Not that I've really thought that much about it. I guess it's a combination of the usual propaganda in school and an actual pride in the achievements of our country. The thing is that the nationalistic movement in Norway is traditionally a democratic and left-winged thing, while a lot of countries has a right-wing and elitist nationalism, often an upper-class thing. Norway as an independent nation hasn't been ruled by a king since the 14th century. So as long as it doesn't turn into racism, I think believing in your country is a good thing.
My main reason for believing in Norway and my wish to preserve Norway as it is, is the European Union. We are one of the lucky few European countries that has managed to keep out of that shit, and I hope it stays that way. I really, really believe in the social democracy. It owns. And I'm proud to be a part of it. The filthy socialistic/capitalistic cross-breed works like hell, and any other political system is inferior. Yes, I know this sounds like the ravings of a Patriot fanatic, and there's a lot of my country that I'm not proud of (we sound like Homer Simpson's retarded twin when we speak English). But all in all, this place is great. Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with immigration, I believe in much more open borders than we have now. Immigration is never a problem as long as you keep high minimum wages.
--- Quote from: Oli on 25 Jul 2008, 19:47 ---Would everyone agree that language is of huge cultural significance?
By extension would everyone agree that the assimilation of another language, or aspects of another language, into a culture would create problems with the preservation of culture and with that nationality?
I'm conflicted on this. I think that language is a huge part of cultural identity, but I also think that culture is not a frozen thing and that it evolves with the nature of the people it represents.
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Language is a really big part of cultural identity. But I think you forget something. Culture is not a frozen thing at all, but language develops too. But your example is fascinating. It's nerdish, yes, but I'll probably want to browse through that book.
--- Quote from: RedLion on 28 Jul 2008, 16:32 ---Anyway, nationalism is one of the most violent and damaging forces in the world, ranking up there with religious fanaticism and ideologies like Stalinism.
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Not at all. Nationalism isn't violent and damaging, it can be used in such a way that it causes violence. The same thing goes for religion and political systems, if you prioritize them over the welfare of the people, you always go wrong.
öde:
I don't care about countries (and I'm all for immigration and completely open borders). I love the landscape of the U.K. though, it's beautiful and it feels like home but that's just because I've lived here all my life.
I was thinking how I probably wouldn't be happy about some distant power controlling the country, but then I don't like our government controlling the country.
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