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Dissy:
Khar, We invented the airplane functioning one anyway, so all inventions to improve upon the design are thus technically ours. And, if you want to get real technical, the first "jet engine" was url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile]developed about 1900 years ago.[/url]
Also, we invented the modern fucking car, nuclear weapons, and Ebonics. The US wins, followed by the Romans, than the Egpytians, then Greeks...
Eris:
--- Quote from: snalin on 31 Jul 2008, 12:03 ---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations#Australian_federal_parliament_apology
We are trying to work about fixing what we did. Everyone is taught in high school (hell, probably primary school) about the Stolen Generations, so it's not as if we're ignoring it. This apology has taken a long time to come about, a lot longer than it should, but it's showing that we're willing to say we did something wrong. You lost respect for a country that did something wrong in the past? What about the British, do you have no respect for them because of all the "colonising" they did? What about Israel when the videos came out showing soldiers breaking children's arms? What about Germany and that whole holocaust thing?
I am rather apathetic about my country. I went through the whole "embrace your Irish roots!" phase when I was about 12, but that is just because my mother is most definitely Irish. If I had been born from two descendants of convicts instead of just one, I would probably be even less interested in my background. Sure I live here, and it's a nice place, and I'll be quick to tell people that they should live here, it's awesome, but like most places (probably every place, actually) people her have done bad shit which makes me embarrassed to by associated with them because I am Australian. Plus the stereotypes of us have always been awful. Steve Irwin? "Put another shrimp on the barbie!"? All those terrible Americans-being-Australian accents? Ick.
Vendetagainst:
Dude, trying to criticize somebody for what their country did is FUCKING RETARDED.
we have...
McCarthyism
Destruction of Native American land
Dropping 2 nuclear bombs (I believe it was justified, but it is still a very easy criticism)
Dick Cheney (inexcusable)
Slavery in a country founded on equal rights
Oppression of African Americans long after slavery ended
Confinement of the Japanese during WWII
Guantanamo Bay
etc...
etc...
And all countries have horrible things they've done, you certainly can't criticize a citizen of that country for what they weren't even involved in. I get that that might not have been the point you were trying to make, but let's not even leave it open to interpretation.
Caspian:
--- Quote from: Eris on 31 Jul 2008, 18:27 ---
--- Quote from: snalin on 31 Jul 2008, 12:03 ---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations#Australian_federal_parliament_apology
We are trying to work about fixing what we did. Everyone is taught in high school (hell, probably primary school) about the Stolen Generations, so it's not as if we're ignoring it. This apology has taken a long time to come about, a lot longer than it should, but it's showing that we're willing to say we did something wrong.
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"We did something wrong"?
Last time I checked, I was not born early enough to have done anything regarding this. Basically I am saying the latest apology (nothing wrong with apologising right after the event) was somewhat unnecessary and a load of nonsense, to say the least.
Eris:
Jesus, was to take shit literally. We as in Australians. We as in the government at the time who thought it would be a good idea to take kids away from their families and raise them up "properly". You know what I meant, there's no need to be an argumentative arsehole.
You may think the apology was unnecessary and a load of nonsense, but what about the people who had been taken and lost a lot of their sense of history? It's fairly fucking important to them. If you have evidence of a proper apology like Rudd gave from an earlier time then I would be quite interested in seeing it.
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