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ASBO = AAAAAAGH
Vendetagainst:
I have never heard of these things before until today but they are truly the most retarded excuses for law enforcement ever.
"Anti-Social Behavior Orders", legal punishments for being anti-social!! HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmhaff/80/80we20.htm
"In May 2004, a 16-year-old boy was banned from behaving in an anti-social manner at school. The five year order covers the whole of England and Wales and came as a response to his disruption of a science class (Source—Statewatch ASBOwatch)"
" In February 2003, a 16-year-old boy was banned from showing his tattoos, wearing a single golf glove, or wearing a balaclava in public anywhere in the country. He was also forbidden from congregating in public places in groups of more than three people. (Source—Statewatch ASBOwatch)"
"In October 2004, a profoundly deaf girl was served an order for spitting in public. Having broken it she is currently in prison on remand. (Source—Statewatch ASBOwatch)"
pwhodges:
The UK is close to being a police state in some ways. We have more cameras per head of population than any other country, and there are places where they have put loudspeakers next to cameras so that they can shout at the yoof to tell them to behave better. They have also tried (and failed) to prevent teenagers from congregating in "nice" places (shopping malls) by playing loud very high frequency sounds which hurt their ears, but "nice" older people can't hear; and in some places by simply playing classical music!
ASBOs do have some point, though - they are similar to being "bound over to keep the peace". You can find examples of absurd use of just about any law.
Tom:
If I were English, I'd be wanting to/doing the former.
Peet:
I think it's quite easy to read the Daily Mail and come to the conclusion that the evil labour government wants to turn Britain into a police state, but I have actually seen no evidence of that whatsoever in my life. I could not care less if there are a lot of security cameras in my town. It is a public place and thus people can see what I am up to, whether in person or via a camera. If I got mugged, the cameras might help find the chap who did it, which is a Good Thing as far as I can see.
The ASBO is a decent idea but, I think, overused and perhaps a bit overhyped. If we look at Vendetagainst's examples, though, they are fairly sensible. A boy is disrupting the education of others, so he gets told not to. Another is, presumably, doing antisocial things as part of a gang of more than three and is diguising his face with a balaclava. We stop him doing these things, which benefits the community. As for the last girl, she has gone to jail for breaching the terms of her ASBO, which is how these things work. She must have been made aware that that would be the action taken in such a circumstance.
The thing of playing high pitch noise to drive away young folks is a bit silly, but I don't think it's a widespread practice. The classical music idea I quite like.
Oli:
--- Quote from: Vendetagainst on 26 Jul 2008, 03:25 ---"In October 2004, a profoundly deaf girl was served an order for spitting in public. Having broken it she is currently in prison on remand. (Source—Statewatch ASBOwatch)"
--- End quote ---
The fact she is deaf does not mean that spitting in public is not a positively ghastly thing to do.
While I don't really see the ASBO as a decent way to stop anti social behaviour, which I think would require a huge social overhaul and changes to the way criminal behaviour is dealt with, I do not really care what happens to people who spit in the street.
There was talk of an initiative in the UK a wee while ago where people commiting minor crimes would be given X amount of money (I think it was something like 20 grand or so, what I do remember is that it was at least a thousand pounds less than it cost to incarcerate them) to spend on helping them achieve something productive. I think this is the best plan.
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