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3Z3VH:
Aggro meters are a crutch.  I was in MC before any guild had ever killed Ragnaros, and had been raiding nearly every night from that moment, till the Burning Crusade was released... and I was a Rogue.  We know what it is to pull aggro, and know the delicate balance of too much, and too little aggro reduction, because our "mana pool" was time limited, rather than gear limited, so we had to use every point to it's maximum.  If you raid enough, you really get a feel for aggro management, and know when you are going to aggro before it actually happens.  Aggro meters are not only overly conservative just so you can't yell at the maker saying they were wrong, but they just plain take you out of the game.  I didn't become the undefeated champion of damage on Vaelestraz (as in every time I was there for the fight, I did top damage in the guild, no matter what anyone else tried) by using an aggro meter ;)

Also, the best time I ever had in a game of WoW was in a raid my guild started on the Crossroads.  Sure we had to kill some lowbies to get the Horde's attention, but once we did, more and more 60s from both sides kept rolling in until we had (literally) 60+ horde and 40+ Alliance in two big groups pushing back and forth.  Alliance finally got pushed against the mountains and wiped out, when we came up with The Plan (tm).  We had everyone wait as a corpse until our best geared tank-spec warrior spawned, all the horde immediately descended on him at which point we spawned a few healers for him, and EVERY AOE capable person all at once, and AOE'd all 60+ horde to death in a matter of seconds, while the rogues went around picking off the few who were outside the shitstorm of AOE.    Wiped out their entire faction in a matter of seconds.  My guild easily had 12-15 people with second accounts create a toon on the Alliance side to personally congratulate us on an awesome strat, and a well-played PvP session.  Sure, lowbie gankers suck, but many times they are just there to attract attention to pick a real fight ;)

Anyway, on the PvP note, who is starting up Warhammer ?  I am so excited !!! :)

teh pwn queen:
All that talk about PvP made me a lil nostaglic for Shadowbane.... now, THAT was the quintessential PvP game if I ever saw own ('course, I played it in it's prime, before it became a **gasp** free downloadable ^_^). You could do anything... kill a guild enemy, completely destroy a guild city, or if you were pissed off at a group member, you could kill them too.  I'm sure many of you wish you could kill someone on your side for being a complete dipweed in WoW.
'Oops...did I agro taht n kil teh enire grp??/??/ Sry mah bad >_< kk lol'
BITCH SMACK!!!!

Noct:
As long as we're speaking of aggro...

I think the most fun I ever had in WoW was actually waaay back in MC on Golemagg (a very straightforward fight), long after we had the place on farm-mode.  Our kick-ass MT would usually take off a few pieces of armor so that he could get some good rage generation going, and I'd give him about 5 seconds of solid tanking time before laying in full throttle with my fury warrior.  The game was to see if I could draw aggro from the tank before the boss fell over, at which point he would turn around, splatter me into the ground, and we'd all have a good laugh.

I called this game Golemaggro.

Lines:

--- Quote from: Leinad on 28 Aug 2008, 22:26 ---Linds, do you agree that Bot is the absolute best instance to run on heroic for a few quick badges? Cause I think so.

--- End quote ---

Underbog is just as good, I think. Well, Slave Pens, Underbog, Botanica, and Mechanar all seem to be about the same to me. That and the first boss in Mech actually becomes a lot more fun.

As for the aggro meters being a crutch, I think it depends on the person. I never used one before I hit 70 and still sometimes I don't, especially if I have salv. I rarely do enough damage in the groups I'm in to get notice, unless I'm running newer 70s or lower chars through something.

justlikeaphoto:
Underbog and Slave Pens are supposedly the best for badge runs because you can skip trash mob pulls if you're with a semi-experienced group.

I too prefer Bot and Mech though.

And all this talk of MC is making me miss Pre-BC raiding.  Makes me almost want to consider trying to get a group together for a run on Naxx, especially since they'll be relocating it in two months.

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