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clockworkjames:
I thought marksmanship was where it was at for raiding?
Also, ding motherfuckers - Before the end of the year just like I planned.

Alex C:
For raiding the trees seem pretty even atm. MM will probably pull ahead a bit over BM during the course of an entire raid if they take Barrage for trash pulls, but honestly, I'm not really a fan of taking Barrage for progression content. You'll end up doing more damage over the course of the evening, but when the rough stuff like bosses roll around you'll end up spending more time in AotV since points spent on Barrage are points that would have otherwise been spent in Efficiency. It's nice to scale the heights of the damage meter and all, but at the end of the day, Hunters are there for their reliable single target damage vs. bosses more than for their AOE abilities; any truly vital AOE work is more likely to be assigned to the locks and mages, after all, since they can be really good at it without even really bothering to spec towards it.

Anyway, the big reason I said Survival but not MM isn't due to DPS, which Josef said wasn't the prime consideration anyway. The big thing is that MM just doesn't operate much differently than BM in a raid enviroment. None of the procs are really very reactive (ie, you don't really have to change your rotation at all to take advantage of anything) and Chimera shot doesn't really change your rotation much; it mostly edges out Serpent Sting and does a nice wad of damage. Lock 'n' Load+Explosive Shot is a more demonstrable change to your rotation since LnL can let you spam a couple ES's in a row; I know that doesn't sound like much, but it does keep things a bit more interesting (I know from experience; prior to Combat Potency and Glyph of Sinister Strike, Rogues were basically a set-in-stone optimal rotation class too).

Anyway, I'm a fan of Replenishment, which can easily help make up for the mild loss of DPS you get from going Survival, plus Wyvern sting is a fun tool to have and is basically mandatory since it's needed to take Noxious Stings. Even if you just do 5 mans most of the time, Wyvern Sting can be pretty handy if you're called up on to kite something due to a sudden lack of crowd control.

mishy:
ding! 80 boomkin, yeaaaarghh!
now to get that titansteel guardian made for me...

clockworkjames:
I will make your mace for you... BUT FIRST! Gather round WoWpeople for I have a story to tell!

Lake Wintersgrasp 1600 hours server time 31 Dec 2007

We were assaulting lake wintersgrasp well when I entered late and with 5 minutes on the clock and 4 HK's no deaths I was having fun smashing tanks open and beating the squishies driving ("Tank" killing a tank, hehe) so the clock drops to 2 mins and the horde are still made of suck so they all fail and we blam down the last wall and run to the big orb thingy then something happens and we win. There are people sticking around, I realise it is for the raid so I pipe up that I am a tank and will happily get beaten on in a group situation, so a 25 man raid group inv's me and my friend laughs and says "Good luck :P" in game. My def is still only like, 407 so I am crittable and say this to raid leader, "NP" he says, "you can OT" when I look at MT a Nelf warrior with a nice epic in each hand, 22khp unbuffed (same as me) and I ask my friend who laughed at me if he thought I could do it over Vent, he says "not a chance, the dude hits for like 4k you will get owned" but I am willing to try so I stick with it. About 15 minutes past 4 server time we fight out way through trash to the last dude, 9.9 million HP and made of massive rocks. Shit. So for those not familiar with 25man HC Wintersgrasp, Archavon the Stone Watcher is the last dude, a 5 minute to enrage DPS fight, my group was MT, OT, Restro shammy, Holy priest and some other warrior for if both me and OT mess up (He kicks away whoever has aggro at that point and the OT needs to come in and tank till MT gets back, simple) the rest of the groups were made up of healers and DPS.

First attempt everything goes fine but at 18% he enrages and we wipe. Okay, not enough DPS but everyone else did fine, was all good and do-able. When I rez I go to run back but my game shit's itself, drops to 4FPS and the ground dissapears, I quickly type that I have to relog, apologise and logout after being told that it was fine to do so. So i close the client, start it up again and log in... Or rather I try to log in but get the message "You have used all your prepaid time for this account" so I panic, open my browser and log on to WoW account management, hurridly enter CC details and notice that my account expired 16:25 paris/server time, the payment is good and I log back in 16:31 and explain what happened to be met with 25 LOL's and a PWND before apologising and getting on with it. We get him down to 8% this time, but then he enrages and MT dies instantly, Taunt is on CD so mocking blow to take aggro, about 5 seconds later everyone is dead. Futile. Raid leader gets pissy, prints DPS and kicks the bottom 3 (Less than 1500DPS) and we get in 1 lock, 1 fury warrior and one other DPS that I cannot remember. I take a look at the lock, full purplz good enough for me, then the warrior with sick bloos and purplz, titansteel destroyer and a 2h bloo rep sword, quick look at his talent build and I am in awe of this dude, awesome enchs on really quite good raiding gear, talents show NO solo survivability at all, totally group dependant and will crit like a beast. I guess an easy 7kdps or some shit so whatever, Archavon the Stone Watcher is going down. Groups get messed about a bit, fight starts. All goes well, 1 minute in we have him at 60%, pulling out all the stops, 2 minutes we have him at 18% being told to hurry up I am thinking no way do we need to rush, this is DONE and we down him before the 3 minute mark. 2 minutes to spare just like the battle for Wintersgrasp...


Valorous Plagueheart Leggings
Deadly Gladiator's Felweave Handguards
Deadly Gladiator's Felweave Trousers
Deadly Gladiator's Silk Raiment


Group only had the 1 lock, the dude that joined before the final attempt.

Brix were shat.

PizzaSHARK:
That lucky son of a bitch...

You get huge, massive bonus points for being a dwarf, because dwarves rule.  Whoever took one of the hideous Northrend wolves for a pet needs to be dragged out and strangled with the hide from his uglyass pet.  He should get himself a crab.  Named Itchy.

I really like that they're allowing folks to get PvP gear by doing PvE content (well, Archavon is MOSTLY PvE, anyway... you could just wait for your team to win and then go do him without ever actually killing shit.)  I just wish they'd do the same for PvP.  Why can't I turn my excess honor and APs into T7 or T7H gear? :(

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