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Thrillho:
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--- Quote from: Patrick on 02 Mar 2010, 00:08 ---The Stones didn't do anything that the Beatles, the Who, or Cream hadn't already done leagues better.
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I've heard all of the classic output by all of these bands at some length and The Stones were significantly different to all of them. If you've spent any time with any of the records between Beggars Banquet and Exile on Main Street you might agree with me. The brilliance of The Stones was the fact that they created a new form of pop music which perfectly synthesised rock'n'roll, the blues, country, soul, R&B, folk and gospel. My knowledge of rock music is fair and I can't off the top of my head think of another band which attempted this, let alone succeeded. The Beatles dabbled in a lot of genres but never actually forced it all together into one cohesive sound. The Faces are vaguely comparable but didn't quite manage such a broad sphere of influences. Many bands have attempted to emulate it but as far as I'm concerned, nobody has really produced a convincing facsimile even all these years later. Not even The Rolling Stones, in fact.
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Pink Floyd dude, Pink Floyd
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Pat, I adore Floyd, but they didn't at all do what tommy was describing.
Alex C:
--- Quote from: DynamiteKid on 03 Mar 2010, 04:14 ---It seems to me that a lot of people describing The Stones or Dylan or whoever as folk or blues rip-off artists miss that a lot of folk and blues has always seemingly been constructed from a kind of pantheon of universal songs, riffs, lyrics and tunes that you'd meld into your own order. I mean a lot of people learn to write songs by either accidentally or deliberately ripping off other artists and stapling well known songs together into something new. And no, I don't just mean Noel Gallagher.
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There's some definite double standards involved too. You see the same sorta thinking in other media criticism:
nufan:
--- Quote from: DynamiteKid on 03 Mar 2010, 04:14 ---It seems to me that a lot of people describing The Stones or Dylan or whoever as folk or blues rip-off artists miss that a lot of folk and blues has always seemingly been constructed from a kind of pantheon of universal songs, riffs, lyrics and tunes that you'd meld into your own order.
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Fuckin' YES. Blowing In The Wind is based off an old spiritual song, No More Auction Block. Masters Of War is based on the melody for Nottamun Town. That's the way folk music (used to/does) work, you take an old melody and change the lyrics/structure to work more for a current audience. That's how every single musician ever operates; you take stuff you like and you put it in a blender.
nufan:
I realise that was a bit off topic so I'll say FUCKIN PAVEMENT ARE SO OVERRATED BLARRG THEY SUCK
Patrick:
--- Quote from: DynamiteKid on 03 Mar 2010, 13:44 ---
--- Quote from: Patrick on 03 Mar 2010, 12:31 ---
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--- Quote from: Patrick on 02 Mar 2010, 00:08 ---The Stones didn't do anything new (paraphrased)
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(trimmed) The brilliance of The Stones was the fact that they created a new form of pop music which perfectly synthesised rock'n'roll, the blues, country, soul, R&B, folk and gospel. My knowledge of rock music is fair and I can't off the top of my head think of another band which attempted this, let alone succeeded. (trimmed)
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Pink Floyd
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Pat, I adore Floyd, but they didn't at all do what tommy was describing.
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Idunno man they sure sounded like they took a lot out of gospel and out of '50s doo-wop when they recorded "Eclipse" is all I'm saying. Try to convince me that the lead guitar in "Breathe" didn't sound like it was picking and choosing bits of country (the lead guitar is just a Strat played with a slide, but it sure sounds a lot like a steel guitar) and jazz. And then tell me that "Another Brick In The Wall" isn't lifted directly out of funk. Genre mashing was totally within Floyd's grasp.
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