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Jimmy the Squid:
Is it that important what is causing the climate change (that is the term I am using as I don't give a shit about the cause)? We're at a point where if the world is getting significantly hotter because of the pollution we create then we have a responsibility to not only reduce the amount of shit we pump into the atmosphere (as well as everywhere else) but to figure out if there is not a way for us to slow the heating (these could be the same things). We're also at a point where even if the world is just getting hotter as part of a global warming/cooling cycle (I've heard people say that we're still on the tail end of the last Ice Age which is why it's heating up), that cycle could end up being very bad for us as a species and we should look at (and you know, enact) ways of either trying to slow that heating or at least to try to not speed it up.

Either way we're going to be running out of things to power the machines that keep us at the temperature we like being at sooner or later. We should try to look into that maybe?

Leonidas:

--- Quote from: Jimmy the Squid on 14 Aug 2008, 08:05 ---Is it that important what is causing the climate change (that is the term I am using as I don't give a shit about the cause)? We're at a point where if the world is getting significantly hotter because of the pollution we create.....

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But Jimmy, that's the point. We're not!

If anything the raise (and cooling) of global temperatures have more to do with solar cycles.







You're being made to feel guilty and paying for the pleasure. Governments and business are making a fortune off of palying on people's guilt. It's really as simple as that. The vasst vast majority of the CO2 in the atmosphere is caused naturally. From everything to volcanic emmissions to dying plant material. NOT because you drive your car to work and use a dishwasher to get your dishes clean. Human CO2 emmissions only account for a tiny percentage of the CO2 in the earth's atmosphere. It's an absolute con.

All you have to do is look at Al Gore. The world's greatest climate change advocate. A man seen by many as an American hero and modern day prophet. The fact that his own expendature of energy from his mansion and jaunts around the world in private jets seem to make a mockery of what he stands for. The fact he's made millions from selling his powerpoint presentation DVD around the world and money from his own company, Generation Investment Management (which he set up two years before The Convenient Truth), which again makes money from the guilt people feel over global warming selling carbon credits (whatever the flyging f*** they are).

It's all bullshit and you're being taken for a ride. We all are.

Chesire Cat:
Wow Leonidas that is very convincing.  Throwing tonnes of respect your way, just so you know.  I mean Im not really going to write global warming off as a myth, rather you have convinced me to take a more Agnostic approach.  Maybe it is being caused by us, maybe not, our limited science and limited history on this earth dont allow us enough information to inconclusively prove it.  Though I maintain a global change in temperature either direction on the spectrum is likely to be a bad thing.

But right or wrong Id still rather err on the side of caution, not speaking strictly in Greenhouse Gas terms, but in general environmental terms.  The worlds been here millions of years before we started significantly dump pollution into the atmosphere and oceans and pretty much everywhere.  I cant but think it's making a negative effect, and after all life as we know it on earth started off as a chemical anomaly set to very very strict climatic values.  Anything that MIGHT affect that, even if its warmer, or colder, cant be good for all life on this planet, animals have spent thousand to millions of years adapting to the world as it is, not the world as it may become. 

Ozymandias:
Goddamn this thread.

Leonidas:
Chesire Cat, that's the thing. I'm not trying to convince anyone that man-made climate change doesn't exist. The fact is we just don't know enought about it. As much as some people will pull out all this evidence to support the claim that we will all be doomed in 100 years time, there is also a weight of evidence to prove that man has very little if any influence over the world's weather conditions. That's the thing, we just don't know. The point is that the debate is not over, despite what so many catastrophists would have us believe.

Bringing the climate change issue down to an individual level in terms of responsibility however is wrong. I should not be made to feel guilty (and made to pay over the odds/suffer increased government legislation for the privilage) because I choose to drive a car rather than cycle and that occasionally I don't recycle as much as I could. To do so is a tactic that has been used for years by all major religions in order to make money, and this is nothing different. Guilt pays.

Of course we should all take more responsibility for the way we lives our lives, but don't be allowed to be made to feel guilty about it. not when climate change hero's such as Al Gore produces far more CO2 with his mansion and jetting all over the world in his private jet in order t recieve awards (which is nothing more than good advertising) in a year that you or I would probably produce in a lifetime.

Also, be aware of the fact that if the UK were to stop tomorrow and never start again. No more factories, no more planes or cars, no more washing machines etc etc.... In the developing world of India and China the slack created would be taken up within about 4 days. You or I have no power here to make any significant change. People like to believe that on an individual level they can, but they can't.

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