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Jimmy the Squid:
--- Quote from: Leonidas on 14 Aug 2008, 08:15 ---
--- Quote from: Jimmy the Squid on 14 Aug 2008, 08:05 ---Is it that important what is causing the climate change (that is the term I am using as I don't give a shit about the cause)? We're at a point where if the world is getting significantly hotter because of the pollution we create.....
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But Jimmy, that's the point. We're not!
If anything the raise (and cooling) of global temperatures have more to do with solar cycles.
It's all bullshit and you're being taken for a ride. We all are.
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Uh, I think you might need to re-read my post man. I was saying that the reason for this climate change is irrelevant and whatever the reason is we should be doing something about it.
öde:
--- Quote from: Leonidas on 14 Aug 2008, 10:26 ---You or I have no power here to make any significant change. People like to believe that on an individual level they can, but they can't.
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How come you're so pessimistic? Besides, we have more power together, hence countries and unions and such, and things like the Kyoto Protocol. Plus it doesn't matter if you think you make a difference or not, you're responsible and accountable for your own actions and you should be the change you want to see in the world. I hope you don't really think you're helpless.
Ozymandias:
Guys, here are my personal beliefs:
I believe that humans have an impact on the environment that is too complex to measure accurately.
I believe that part of this impact may result in an effect on the global climate.
I believe that a large part of climate change is not a result from that.
I believe that the solution to climate change isn't in conservation, but in better science.
I believe that we should consider the possibility that we are going to have to radically change our lives in the future to live well.
I believe that the human race survives, no matter what. (Short of the Large Hardon Collider creating a black hole that kills us all)
I believe in Harvey Dent.
Here is what I do:
I walk everywhere.
I use energy saving everygoddamnthing.
I turn off all extraneous electronics and lights.
I water plants sparingly (this is more a New Mexican issue, but whatever).
I support conservation and alternative energy with my votes.
I travel as little as possible and always in carpools.
Why do I do this when I don't believe it's the answer or possibly not even the cause?
Because I'd be a major league dick if I were wrong(and it also saves an ass-ton of money).
I don't understand why people can't just do things because it's a good thing to do without being a dick about it.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: Ozymandias on 14 Aug 2008, 19:00 ---I believe that we should consider the possibility that we are going to have to radically change our lives in the future to live well.
I believe that the human race survives, no matter what.
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This is the point. There is plenty of evidence that the climate is changing in a way that will seriously impact human society (especially at sea-level); whether humans caused or drive this change is somewhat beside the point. The important thing is to understand that unless we put flexibility back into being human, lots of people, and hence global society, will be hurt by these changes. Humans have survived and spread by being flexible, which means acknowledging their interaction with their environment; the humans that survive may well be those that don't require piped water and energy to live.
Paul
öde:
Ozy is a major factor in global warming because he's so hot.
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