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Bill Hicks - The Movie
est:
That is a pretty good point, Tommy. Even though I love most of his social and political commentary/rants I probably would not have enjoyed hanging out with Bill Hicks. He seemed like somewhat of a misogynist and the whole "if you don't like my smoking you can suck it" bit would annoy the fuck out of me.
Jackie Blue:
--- Quote from: Ptommydski on 20 Aug 2008, 16:41 ---These people seem to base their existence on the most tedious characteristics which Hicks occasionally seemed to embody. The habitual self-congratulatory recreational drug abuse. The weak pseudo-intellectual "I've read books, me" mentality. The endless philosophical pontificating and nauseating 'new age' detritus. The knee-jerk socio-political rhetoric and incredibly tired conspiracy theories repeated over and over. All characteristics which are excusable in the persona of a Comedian but rather pathetic amongst his followers.
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Agreed, and I think this happens with pretty much every Icon. Think about it - as bad as GG Allin was, he was genuinely mentally fucked up and he has plenty of otherwise "sane" followers who cite him as some kind of God. There's the same disconnect with people like Kurt Cobain, Stephen Malkmus, Ian Curtis, George Carlin, and many American politicians.
Of course, Sloan nailed it: "It's not the band I hate, it's their fans."
That said, I think Hicks offstage would have been more laid back, would have been a fun guy to sit next to at a pub or whatever. He combined the fantastic energy of the ranty Sam Kinison type of comedian with the true wit of the Carlin, Bruce, Pryor, etc. "intelligent" comedian.
David_Dovey:
--- Quote from: Ptommydski on 20 Aug 2008, 16:41 ---I like Hicks' actual stand-up comedy but in the years after his death I've come to somewhat dislike the people who cite him as a hero. I could always forgive the man for his perpetual adolescence because he was very funny indeed. However, this is usually not true of the hundreds of thousands of students who seem to have taken his material as gospel several years after the fact.
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OK so I've got a Bill Hicks tattoo but goddamn if the pseudo-dski don't speaks him some truth. I admire Hicks for his forthrightness and for carrying on the legacy of encouraging people to think for themselves and to question everything. This includes questioning Hicks himself.
David_Dovey:
Cos pictures of yourself as your avatar are so "theme week". Sheesh.
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KvP:
--- Quote from: Ptommydski on 20 Aug 2008, 16:41 ---I like Hicks' actual stand-up comedy but in the years after his death I've come to somewhat dislike the people who cite him as a hero. I could always forgive the man for his perpetual adolescence because he was very funny indeed. However, this is usually not true of the hundreds of thousands of students who seem to have taken his material as gospel several years after the fact.
These people seem to base their existence on the most tedious characteristics which Hicks occasionally seemed to embody. The habitual self-congratulatory recreational drug abuse. The weak pseudo-intellectual "I've read books, me" mentality. The endless philosophical pontificating and nauseating 'new age' detritus. The knee-jerk socio-political rhetoric and incredibly tired conspiracy theories repeated over and over. All characteristics which are excusable in the persona of a Comedian but rather pathetic amongst his followers.
If there was going to be a film, it should draw upon the anecdotal and personal evidence collected in Cynthia True's decent biography American Scream. I'm not sold on this whole 'Hicks as the Messiah' bullshit and there are some stories in there which would definitely help to show a man who was both hilarious and at times completely obnoxious on a personal level. It was very sad that he died so young but it's also worth remembering that he was more than his onstage persona.
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