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NUMBER ONE REASON WHY YOU SHOULDN'T VOTE FOR OBAMA!
Jace:
--- Quote from: 0bsessions on 25 Sep 2008, 10:24 ---Ummm, you basically repeated exactly what I said in that first part.
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yes, that's why I quoted you.
--- Quote from: 0bsessions on 25 Sep 2008, 10:24 ---A lot of concert culture is outright based on fighting and violence. While shit like American football is a culture of violence on the field, it's usually kept to the field and doesn't extend to the fans, whereas musicians will quite often encourage moshing and pits and the like.
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Obviously you don't know much about Raiders fans do you? They are the extreme worst. This is a team that has fans that will shank you. I knew people in Arizona that wanted to fight because someone said the Raiders sucked. Yeah, people not even fighting AT the game about it. Imagine what will happen at that game.
I think this is just one of the places where we will have to agree to disagree.
At some concerts, there's a lot of stupidity and violence. At others, none.
Same thing with sports.
KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: 0bsessions on 25 Sep 2008, 10:24 ---A lot of concert culture is outright based on fighting and violence.
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What fucking concerts do you go to?
0bsessions:
Mostly varieties of rock.
You're apparently unfamiliar with the concept of a Mosh Pit.
I have seen this shit at a fucking 311 concert. 311! A band whose primary musical message is "smoke pot and lie down for a while."
KharBevNor:
Erm.
Moshing is a form of dance, not a fight.
Alex C:
--- Quote from: PantsFTW on 25 Sep 2008, 10:11 ---Board games are competitive, and you don't see people rioting over that.
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I take issue with this; board games do not support a competitive culture on nearly the same scale as mainstream athletic events. While the object of a given board game may be to win, they are still usually played for sport in the purest sense-- they are leisure activities. While one can certainly point out that chess is played on a very high level, it is in many ways an individual sport- much like golf, one can certainly defeat themselves in chess through elementary blunders. There is little to lose and the only one you can ever truly blame is yourself. Tellingly, as much as you might admire Kasparov or Tiger woods, there's really no way you can ever really feel like you're truly a part of the man's success.
Mainstream team sports, on the other hand are another ball of wax entirely. In team sports, players can let eachother down or put "the whole team on their back," as the saying goes. There's an entire culture of putting the team first and making personal sacrifices in the name of success. Players are lauded for realizing that "No one is bigger than the team" and the marketing does everything possible to make spectators feel a part of this loop. For the players themselves, gigantic contracts are on the line, a reality that trickles down to lower levels of play when exceptional young men are earmarked as the next big thing. For god's sake, ESPN nationally televised several of LeBron Jame's highschool games, yet people are still shocked when someone's idiot father berates an ump for "persecuting" his golden child.
Let's not forget about your garden variety drunken asshole gambler either. Few things transform someone into a complete douche quicker than 3 or 4 giant stadium beers and losing $150 dollars on an ill-advised three team teaser. The fact of the matter is that there's some people out there who can't keep themselves from treating sports as SERIOUS BUSINESS, and the competitive and monetary aspects definitely play a huge role.
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