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Fenriswolf:
I don't know eh. I've not heard of it in New Zealand but I have a fair amount in the US and from what I've gathered childbirth with no free healthcare can get pretty expensive as it is, let alone suing on top of it. Unfortunately I am low on facts. :P

I don't know, I don't really care how rare it is, the slightest chance is too much for me (I sort of envisage an "it's for their own good" argument and that's the end of that).

KvP:
Hospitals lie about their procedures in paperwork all the time, so don't think you'll find evidence there. They'll probably charge you for things you didn't receive.

Alex C:
I dunno, I've got a few relatives in the medical field who have dealt with kidney stone patients on a regular basis and "That was the worst thing ever" is an extremely common refrain. My mother believes it was WAY worse than giving birth, and when she had me it ended being a complicated, extended delivery that went from "We may have to do a c-section," to "Holy shit, we NEED to do a c-section," and an extended stay in the hospital for both of us.

CardinalFang:

--- Quote from: Alex C on 11 Dec 2008, 23:41 ---I dunno, I've got a few relatives in the medical field who have dealt with kidney stone patients on a regular basis and "That was the worst thing ever" is an extremely common refrain. My mother believes it was WAY worse than giving birth, and when she had me it ended being a complicated, extended delivery that went from "We may have to do a c-section," to "Holy shit, we NEED to do a c-section," and an extended stay in the hospital for both of us.

--- End quote ---

My sister-in-law has had both kidney stones and a child and according to her the childbirth was much more painful.

I've had 9 or 10 kidney stones. I really can't remember the number, it's all become a blur. Of those I've had maybe 6 or 7 lithotripsies, one passed on it's own, and one basket retrieval. The first lithotripsy was done without general anesthesia and sucked a lot even with the morphine they gave me. With the others and the basket retrieval I was well into la-la land and don't remember any of it.

I've also had an endoscopy and a colonoscopy. Neither of those were bad. The worse part about the colonoscopy was the prep work. There's a whole lot of laxatives involved. In both cases I was again put in la-la land and don't remember the procedure itself.
What you want to avoid is a cystocopy. When I had mine I only received some topical numbing agent and the application of that was painful.

Nodaisho:

--- Quote from: KvP on 11 Dec 2008, 19:35 ---Hospitals lie about their procedures in paperwork all the time, so don't think you'll find evidence there. They'll probably charge you for things you didn't receive.

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Unless they have new medical procedures, it would be difficult to hide scars of an epi... that surgery that I can't remember how to spell. You suggesting they would hide that part of the paperwork? I suppose it could happen, but if evidence was found of some paperwork going missing that someone claims had a request on it that was ignored, that could look very bad. Remember, this is the country where someone successfully sued McDonalds for the coffee being hot. Might not be so easy in New Zealand.

If a "It's for their own good" argument won out in court, saying that doctors could do what they felt like they should to the patients, even against explicit requests, on no authority but their own, you have bigger problems than the convalescence period. That's a sign of an incoming dystopia.

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