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Coldplay sued by Joe Satriani
Dimmukane:
Sorry. I just felt a little goaded by the statement he made. It was ridiculously untrue, so I was trying to play the other angle to point that out.
To be honest, I would say that that Coldplay song probably has more emotion than If I Could Fly. But Coldplay doesn't hold a candle to Strange Beautiful Music. So it balances out.
But yeah, that bit about indie rock not having any good guitarists was bound to piss some people off anyway. I'd like pay to see a duel between Spencer Seim and Joe Satriani.
New post: I can hear the feeling in guitar just fine. It's a subjective thing.
MadassAlex:
--- Quote from: Dimmukane on 08 Dec 2008, 21:42 ---To be honest, I would say that that Coldplay song probably has more emotion than If I Could Fly. But Coldplay doesn't hold a candle to Strange Beautiful Music. So it balances out.
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--- Quote from: Dimmukane on 08 Dec 2008, 21:42 ---New post: I can hear the feeling in guitar just fine.
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--- Quote from: Dimmukane on 08 Dec 2008, 21:42 ---It's a subjective thing.
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All this sounds kind of ridiculous. Claiming that you can hear emotion "just fine" and then say it's a subjective thing says either the blindingly obvious or that your perception of emotion is superior to someone else's. And this is not long after you've declared that one song has more emotion than other. I get what you're saying and agree, but this post as a whole is a tad silly.
Emotion comes from the listener, anyway. There's no magic way to transfer yourself over thin air, even though music tries, and in the end it depends on how the listener feels about the music.
It makes sense for an "indie" forum to reject, to a significant degree, instrumental rock. Indie, which I think can be reasonably defined as pop-influenced rock with hard rock elements (although this can never be entirely true, but most indie artists fall under this umbrella), is quite accessible. That accessibility is interpreted by many people here as a clear method of expressing the concept or narrative of any piece of music, and music that is stereotyped as insanely technical and complex becomes the antithesis of what they see as effective musical communication.
It all comes from a kind of musical set. As someone who grew up listening to a lot of instrumental classical music, I always felt that a treble voice, like the violin (or, indeed, the high strings of a guitar) carried more effective communication than the human voice, even without the ability to form words. As such, I was rather confused the first time told me that shredders played with no emotion and had no creativity. My expectations lead me to believe that they were the finest musicians that could expect to exist, as their instrumental prowess was so powerful and they used the instrument so effectively.
The last thread showed that there's no real way to argue against musical set. Pretty effectively.
Anyway, the point is that it's kind of uncool just to assume that shred music is utter shit like a whole lot of people do. Within this forum, outside, whatever. It's pretty ignorant and is a lot like saying "death metal is random blah-di-blah". If you don't like music, there is no real point in going out of your way to diss it (although I recognise that this thread is completely reasonable place to discuss such opinions and is the place it should be done) and if you are, it's a pretty cool thing to try and learn from the experience.
I guess the last few paragraphs weren't directed at anyone in particular. While a repeat of my shred thread from a while back would be fun, I think what has to be said on the issue is pretty clear - there are no absolutes in music. Defining whole other genres when you have minimal experience with them is generally a poor idea and it happens to shred a lot, which is pretty sad.
--- Quote from: Dimmukane on 08 Dec 2008, 21:42 ---But yeah, that bit about indie rock not having any good guitarists was bound to piss some people off anyway. I'd like pay to see a duel between Spencer Seim and Joe Satriani.
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A challenger appears!
michaelicious:
--- Quote from: Christophe on 08 Dec 2008, 20:36 ---Indie rock has its fair share of guitar heroes.
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All my guitar heroes seem to be teams. Tom Verlaine/Richard Lloyd, John Reis/Rick Froberg, Corin Tucker/Carrie Brownstein, J. Robbins/Bill Barbot.
Guitar posses!
Dimmukane:
I was responding to this bit.
--- Quote from: Spluff on 08 Dec 2008, 21:37 ---I suppose this just shows that different people have different amounts of empathy (probably not the right word) for guitar. I personally hear a whole lot of feeling in that song. And if you can't hear the feeling in guitar, there's probably no way you can enjoy music where guitar is the focal point of the composition.
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I am basically trying to say that the last thread we had on this subject taught me not to talk like that. I was trying to play the devil's advocate. I didn't actually mean to infer that one song was better than the other. I just do not like solo-esque material in this vein, because I was brought up with orchestral classical music. I have always thought that a really tightly-knit group was far better than a singular musician with a backup band because of the way all the different notes melded together.
I don't think shred is utter shit (well, I can't fucking stand Yngwie). It is there and it is good music, but it's very hard for me to enjoy. There can be insanely technical good music. Case in point, guitarists like the one in that video, John Maa, lots of classical guitar music in general, some of the better tech-death bands, etc.
Anyways, I have to go to bed.
Catacombs:
I thought this was kind of interesting: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/joe_satriani_talks_about_coldplay_lawsuit.html
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