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Coldplay sued by Joe Satriani
Thrillho:
--- Quote from: MadassAlex on 09 Dec 2008, 21:13 ---You can't just take away a musical element from a player and question their relevance. It's like asking, "Would Mozart still kick ass without a choir backing him up?". Mozart sometimes wrote music with a choir as a major articulation. Speed is just one of many musical articulations and the general thought that speed only serves as a wow factor perplexes me to no end. You wouldn't say "Well, let's drop Darkness Descends to 120 bpm and see if it still kicks ass", because the speed of Darkness Descends, like in much of thrash, relies on speed as one element of the music.
Just like anything else, preferred speed is just that - preferred and subjective. Every culture has different standards of speed in their music, so the implication that speed is a less important musical element than others is the musical equivalent of saying that maybe Renaissance art was shit. That is, completely subjective and, well, subject to the culture of the time and area.
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I kind of realised while I was writing it, but wrote it late at night and posted it anyway for reasons that escape me. It's kind of like saying 'would The Beatles have got signed if John Lennon wasn't John fucking Lennon?'
--- Quote from: MadassAlex on 09 Dec 2008, 21:13 ---Secondly, such a post reveals one's inexperience with the less-than-aptly named genre of "shred". It should read "instrumental hard rock/metal", because speed isn't a necessary factor in the music. Just about every recording "shred" artist can and sometimes does annihilate the fretboard, but many of their songs have a stronger relationship with pop rock than, say, progressive rock. Satch and Vai are perfect examples. Both of them are well-known for pushing technical boundaries, but plenty, perhaps more than half their songs are mid or low tempo with only short bursts of virtuosity, if any.
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This is just stemming from a misunderstanding, as I thought I mentioned in my post that these guys don't spend their whole time playing as fast as they can, but clearly I didn't. My point still was that I reckon that was probably a key reason for them having record deals, though, and I stand by that, honestly.
--- Quote from: MadassAlex on 09 Dec 2008, 21:13 ---P.S. To DynamiteKid: I think you are one of the cooler people on this forum. I am saying this because I disagree with everything you have to say about music, but I like you personally. Just in case you think I'm on your case or something, but I can see how you might think that.
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Thanks man, I appreciate that - you do virtually always disagree with me, but we never bullshit around, it's always thrashed out properly and I appreciate that.
MadassAlex:
Absolutely no record exec signs artists on technical merit alone. There's thousands of supremely technical guitarists out there to equal Malmsteen, except Malmsteen actually writes acceptable-to-actually-quite-good music. A complete focus on technicality leaves no room for creativity, and every shred guitarists I've heard talk on the subject says that. Satch, check. Vai, check. Friedman, check. Malmsteen, check. Every single one urges their musician fans to develop phrasing over technique (and guys like Kiko Loureiro do both at the same time), and the implication there is that these guitarists could have more technical skill than they already do - they preferred to spend that time developing other areas of musicianship.
But I can see why you wouldn't give much credit to record execs.
Christophe:
A Thought Occurs. (Well, one cross-posted from the PRF.)
Apparently there are at least three other songs that share a similar chord progression and melody to "If I Could Fly" and "Viva La Vida", the list is as follows:
1) 1981 - Marty Balin "Hearts"
2) 1992 - Babik Reinhardt "Histoire simple"
3) 2002 - Enanitos Verdes "Frances Limon"
4) 2004 - Joe Satriani "If I could Fly"
5) 2008 - Coldplay "Viva la Vida"
I was actually thinking about it the other day: if you take 100 musicians/songwriters who have never heard either "If I Could Fly" or "Viva la Vida", give them the chord progression to both songs and asked them to write a melody over it, how many of them would write a melody that resembles the one in either song?
I think this would be a rad experiment to try out. Quick, someone hail a scientist.
Johnny C:
--- Quote from: Dimmukane on 08 Dec 2008, 21:27 --- It came across (as well as most of G3's music) as the kind of light jazz/yacht rock/muzak you'd hear whilst shopping in Kohl's or someplace similar.
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Oh man I never realized how much this is true of Vai/Satriani. I mean, the yacht is moving very quickly, but it's still a yacht.
Inlander:
According to some report I read today, Satriani claims to have spent ten years writing the tune in question.
Ten. Years.
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