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Atheist Penelope
jtheory:
--- Quote from: tragic_pizza on 04 Jan 2009, 18:29 ---
--- Quote from: jtheory on 04 Jan 2009, 18:17 ---Why is it all so important? Would you believe the authors themselves if they were standing in front of you, 40 years after Jesus' death (or just long enough that any possible physical evidence of miracles was long gone)?
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You mean, if they hadn't been talking about, living out, relating and being punished for those things they told me about during those forty years? Probably not. But this is nto the case with the Gospels.
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Ah, now we're getting somewhere. So if they had put enough effort and risked enough for their cause, you would accept *that* as acceptable evidence that they were telling you something that was factually true?
Is that the criterion?
You can probably see where this goes (I'm tipping my hand now either way; I'm not aiming for rhetorical tricks); just because they believed it, even believed it enough to die for it, does not make it factually true. History does not lack for martyrs to all kinds of causes and beliefs; I'm sure you don't accept them all.
tragic_pizza:
Please point out where I said it did.
eta: there is more than a single criterion to the whole canonicity/reliabiltiy question. Limiting it to a single point is not smart.
Cicero:
Jesus is just all right with me.
BreakAtmo:
--- Quote from: diablo_man on 04 Jan 2009, 01:51 ---man people got pretty riled up on like the one comic where jeff makes fun of athiests, were in several different comics he show that he isnt exactly to inline with christianity either(hard to know either way, but the pope, priest, catholic jokes are there)
yeeesh, let the guy pick on the idiots on both sides a bit okay?
"yeah, but my view is the right one" is what he was really getting at. and you see that way of thinking among the ignorant on both sides of this fence.
not to tar everyone with the same brush, but on the odd occasion that i end up discussing faith with an athiest (i wouldnt call myself really religuous or anything, but i am definitely not an athiest) the other guy seems like he has to "save" me from the evils of faith of any kind. like a dog with a bone, just not letting go.
at this point they become like that really evangelical, bible thumping shouting dude on the street corner, i dont give a shit if you think you are right, i dont particularily care one way or the other, get the hell out of my face about it!
being somewhere in the middle, i get that from both sides, and i cant say that either one ends up looking good when it is "marketed" that way.
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This is exactly what I discussed in my earlier post, apparently rather pointlessly. The big difference between a Christian (or any follower of a religion) saying "My religion is right" and an atheist saying "No it isn't, atheism is right" is that the atheist has logic and reason to back up what they say, and the religious person does not. Atheists are just people who apply logic and critical thinking to EVERYTHING, instead of giving religion an undeserved free pass when is comes to logical criticism.
tragic_pizza:
a bloo bloo bloo.
"ATHEEISTS IS SMART PEEPLES XTIANS IZ NOT."
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